anyone seen these stickers at the pumps ?

[jhillestad]

Started seeing these and had to do a double take.... Where do you buy diesel if you have a 2007 and up ?

So the old diesels can run the new fuel but the new vehicles can run the old fuel? But if this was a low sulfer pump why wouldnt the newer car work ?

confusing...

[nagal]

I have been seeing those all over. The new diesel is ULSD (Ultra low suflur diesel which I think is 15ppm) which is what the newer engines will need to meet the new EPA specs and the possibility of messing up the engine.

[boblamb58]

How recent are these? I have not had to get diesel in over 2 weeks

I'm working towards my first 700 mile tank!

[CGK]

Yep, I've seen them as well on the Union76 pumps where I buy my diesel fuel.
My guess is that when the new emissions standards take effect, all stations will not have the new ULSD available nor will they have new tanks to handle it. So, in order to protect themselves from potential damage lawsuits, they are making known now that the current fuel cannot be used in the 2007 vehicles. Since VW won't have any new common rail diesels available until the 2008 model year, it won't be a problem.
But, new trucks and big rigs for 2007 must use the ULSD fuel.

What I'm not sure about yet is what the new ULSD fuel will require, if anything, to be used in the current non PD and PD TDI engines. If anyone knows yet, please post.

[oil pan 4]

Don't buy ULSD unless you have to.(own a 2007 up diesel)
The Chevy Durmax, Cummings and ford power stroke guys don't like it.
They have taken small hits to milage when they use it. Normaly it is only 1 or 2 MPG, but most of them get less then 20mpg any way.
A lot of them are useing Diesel Kleen when they use this ULSD diesel junk.
Others are cutting the ULSD with used motor oil, Bio-diesel or Vegetable oil.

[moved2tdi]

The pumps with those labels have most likely already received ULSD and they are reducing the sulfur levels in the tanks. By mixing the normal diesel with the ULSD sulfur level is reduced. When they can get their levels down to the maximum level of 15ppm of sulfur the labels will change.

Everyone will have to buy ULSD eventually since it will be an across the board change.

[jpdeuce]

That sticker is not for ULSD. There's enough confusion going around. 500 is not low enough for ULSD. However, I did notice a hit in mileage (about 2 mpg) on tanks where I have filled up with this LOW Sulfur Diesel.

[GalinHdz]

These stickers mean the diesel in that pump is NOT the Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel (ULSD S15) but regular diesel (S500). Regular diesel can harm the diesel engine's new emission filter installed in vehicles starting in 2007. Diesel engines built before 2007 do not have this filter, so it does not affect them.

Soon there will ONLY be ULSD available within the US. I think California and New York ONLY carry ULSD so you won't see these stickers in these states. The older engines will see a small reduction in MPG with ULSD depending on your habits and driving conditions. The reduction should not be by a large amount.

You can get more information about ULSD and the changeover process at the CHEVRON webpage:
http://www.chevron.com/products/prod...sel/ulsd.shtml

[vw_beetle_gpx]

We've got em all over work, by the next year we have to have a seperate pump for all of our new trucks

[Dorado]

This is the similar to when they began to carry unleaded fuel. For a while, stations carried both leaded and unleaded, and new cars came with a sticker warning drivers to fill up only with unleaded. Now only unleaded is sold, but you can run older cars without problems.

The trucking industry has a lot of influence in Wash DC, so they were able to unite forces with the oil industry to delay the cleaning up of US diesel for a longer time than gasoline. Diesel for off-road (construction, generators, etc.) will take even longer to switch to ULSD.

Look for new 2007 diesels in the US to come with a sticker warning driver to use only Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel (ULSD). But there won't be any TDI's for sale for model year 2007 in the US, so we'll see that for MY 2008.

Current and older diesels will run fine on ULSD. The fuel burns much cleaner, although the process to remove the sulfur does affect the milage you get out of it, and may reduce the lubricity too. In the short term, I would use biodiesel or a good diesel additive if you're filling up with the new ULSD. Actually, there's been a lot of talk about having 1-2% biodiesel in all ULSD precisely to address the lubricity issue.

[Dorado]

Here's a news bit on the nationwide distribution of ULSD for 2006:

http://oilspot2.dtnenergy.com/e_arti...7MSgMG,bljdryR

ULSD in Tight Supply on Magellan
Pipeline Operator Delays Offering ULSD at Terminals until August 15

Magellan Pipeline said it will begin offering ultra low sulfur diesel fuel at most of its U.S. products terminals beginning August 15-a delay of two weeks from its original start date set for tomorrow.

The reason for the delay is not due to contamination issues, but mostly to regional supply tightness of the fuel, said Bruce Heine, director of governmental affairs at Magellan. “Supply of 15ppm ULSD isn’t adequate due to refinery turnarounds, downtimes and other market conditions.”

The shutdown of a 60,000 bpd hydrotreater at Valero's 190,000 bpd Memphis, Tennessee refinery and the loss of ConocoPhillips’ entire 306,000 bpd Wood River, Illinois facility following a power outage earlier this month tightened ULSD supply and triggered rallies in the Group 3 and Chicago spot markets.

The federal mandate requiring that a minimum 80 percent of all on-highway diesel fuel produced by refiners contain no more than 15ppm of sulfur content kicked in on June 1. The ULSD mandate goes into effect September 1 at the terminal level and October 15 at the retail level across the country. (California is the exception, with the state requiring all diesel fuel to meet the ULSD specifications as of July 15 at the terminal and September 1 at retail outlets.)

The Magellan Pipeline is an 8,500-mile refined petroleum products pipeline system running from Oklahoma to North Dakota, boasting 45 products terminals along the way. The system has 11 interconnections with other products pipelines and 10 direct connections with refineries. The Magellan system interconnects with the Explorer Pipeline that carries product into the Chicago market.

“As we continue to transition the system, we expect that a few terminals will not be completely transitioned to ULSD by August 14th. At those terminals, MPL will temporarily suspend X-grade service and will instead offer XH and XR service (500ppm on-road and off-road diesel),” the company said in a bulletin to shippers.

The racks that will not have ULSD available at the August 15 date include Amboy, Illinois; Dubuque, Iowa; Heyworth, Illinois; Menard, Illinois; Palmyra, Missouri; Watertown South Dakota; and Waterloo, Iowa. The Fort Smith and Oklahoma City terminals in Oklahoma are not expected to have ULSD to offer until October 1.

[Dorado]

By October 15, 2006: All diesel retail pumps in the US must be labelled.
By mid-2007: 90 percent of US produced diesel will be ULSD.
By Dec 2010: All retail diesel pumps will only sell ULSD.

Without any modifications to existing diesel engines, this will dramatically reduce the pollution that diesel vehicles produce. Sulfur content is going from 500 parts per million down to 15.

Next, in line will be off-road diesels, which unfortunately will lag behind and keep burning high sulfur diesel in construction sites, farms, power generators, and everywhere. But cleaner road diesel is a start.

http://www.dieselforum.org/newsarticle/article/559/1/

Relax: You’re Probably Running On The New Fuel
Truckers will experience few surprises in the changeover to ultra-low-sulfur diesel Oct. 15 – one month from today – because 85 percent of diesel sold since Sept. 1 already has been ULSD, says Al Mannato, American Petroleum Institute fuel issues manager.

“The vast majority of truckers already have it in their tank,” Mannato says.

Refiners have been producing the new fuel since June. October’s deadline is just for labeling purposes at the pump.

After the changeover, ULSD will be the main highway fuel produced, but the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency will not require retail outlets to sell it, according to the Clean Diesel Fuel Alliance, a group that includes the American Automobile Association and the National Association of Truck Stop Operators.

“It is possible that ULSD fuel might not be available initially at every service station or truck stop and that a diesel retailer may choose to sell low-sulfur diesel fuel instead of ULSD fuel,” the alliance says.

By mid-March, 90 percent of the diesel produced for the American market will be ULSD, Mannato says. Trucks from model year 2007 and later must use only ULSD, and they will be so marked on the tank and on the dashboard. Owners of pre-2007 trucks may use either low-sulfur diesel or ULSD during the transition period, but only ULSD will be sold for highway use as of Dec. 1, 2010.

August’s diesel shortages in the middle of the nation reflected increased demand during a drought rather than a diesel supply problem, Mannato says. In fact, 9 percent more diesel was produced for the U.S. market in August 2006 than in August 2005; that’s 1.6 million barrels, compared to 1.4 million a year ago.

Power should be unaffected by ULSD, although fuel economy may be slightly less because the process that removes sulfur also can reduce the energy content of fuel, the Clean Diesel Fuel Alliance says.

That energy loss would be tiny, perhaps 1 percent, but any mileage changes would be difficult to predict because wind speed and many other factors affect mileage, Mannato says.

Mannato declines to predict an effect on the per-gallon price of diesel, saying the API does not make pricing forecasts. Diesel prices are less affected than gasoline by changes in the price of crude oil, which went down in mid-September, Mannato says.

[Dorado]

http://www.biodieselmagazine.com/art...rticle_id=1181

In the 1970s, the U.S. EPA implemented the first standards to reduce the amount of lead in gasoline, paving the way for the use of catalytic converters in gasoline-powered vehicles. Now, three decades later, the federal agency is overseeing the practical elimination of sulfur from diesel—an action of enormous consequence not only to the nation’s petroleum companies, but perhaps to the up-and-coming biodiesel industry, too.

Oct. 15 is the deadline for retail outlets that choose to sell ultra-low sulfur diesel (ULSD) to label the cleaner-burning fuel as being “in compliance” with new federal standards, according to Enesta Jones, a U.S. EPA spokeswoman. With the ULSD requirement in place, all U.S. diesel must now be 15 parts-per-million (ppm) sulfur, down significantly from what was previously allowed in “low-sulfur” diesel.

At press time, the EPA was sticking to its mid-October deadline, despite the fact that it previously extended the ULSD timeline 45 days from its original target date.

The shift from low-sulfur diesel to ULSD is a step principally being implemented for environmental purposes—less sulfur simply equates to less harmful emissions, Jones says. When the program is fully implemented, the EPA projects that it will reduce nitrogen oxide emissions by 2.6 million tons and reduce particulate matter by 110,000 tons annually. “Each year, [these emissions reductions] will prevent more than 360,000 asthma attacks, 22,000 cases of bronchitis and 8,300 premature deaths,” Jones tells Biodiesel Magazine.

The environmental and human health benefits of removing 97 percent of the sulfur in diesel are indisputable, but industry experts like Rich Moskowitz, a regulatory affairs attorney for the American Trucking Associations (ATA), says the advantages of simply using ULSD are not as compelling as the pollution cuts that can be achieved with emissions-abatement technology that’s compatible with the cleaner fuel. As Moskowitz explains, the real “bang for the buck” is new advanced-control emissions systems that will be installed in diesel vehicles starting in 2007. Removing the sulfur from diesel makes it possible to install exhaust gas recirculation and particulate matter traps in new diesel vehicles. These technologies don’t function well in the presence of sulfur.

Biodiesel Blending
Blending biodiesel with ULSD has been touted as a good fit for two reasons, according to Paul Nazzaro, a petroleum liaison for the National Biodiesel Board. First, biodiesel is a clean-burning renewable fuel that contains no sulfur, so it can be added to ULSD without raising the new diesel fuel’s sulfur content. Second, because sulfur is a lubricant, ULSD requires additives that increase its lubricity. Biodiesel can achieve that. With those two factors in mind, Nazzaro considers the two fuels—ULSD and biodiesel—a handsome match. A lot of people thought the implementation of ULSD would cause the biodiesel industry to “fade into the background,” he says, explaining that he sees the situation quite differently. “ULSD gives biodiesel legs,” he says.

[Beeble]

Filled up today and saw my first "ULSD 15 ppm sulfur" sticker on the pump.

It'a about time!

[mgwerks]

Originally Posted by Dorado

By October 15, 2006: All diesel retail pumps in the US must be labelled.
By mid-2007: 90 percent of US produced diesel will be ULSD.
By Dec 2010: All retail diesel pumps will only sell ULSD.

Without any modifications to existing diesel engines, this will dramatically reduce the pollution that diesel vehicles produce. Sulfur content is going from 500 parts per million down to 15.

Not to mention drastically reducing the lubrication that the sulphur provides within the engine.