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Old 07-21-2009, 03:19 PM
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Unhappy TIPTRONIC Transmission Issues

I just replaced my $1100 option Six Speed Automatic TIPTRONIC Tranmission for the sum of $3700 to me. VWofA donated $1,000 "Customer Goodwill" funds and the dealer knocked off 15% of the labor to help quell the $5,000+ repair cost for a rebuilt tranny from Deutchesland.

Was wondering if any of you all have heard of other catestrophic transmission issues out there?

Apparently there was an issue with a high speed gear in rear of the unit. That's about as much as I know about it.

Oh yes, I did drive right thru the drivetrain warranty listening to that faint rattle that no one but me could hear - until the local mechanic put the car on the rack and had his assistant engage the transmission..... what a racket.... And it drove about 20,000 miles as if there was not a problem in the world.
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Old 07-21-2009, 03:39 PM
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Old 07-23-2009, 09:02 AM
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If you have a six-speed, it's a DSG, not a Tiptronic. And yes, DSG transmissions ARE more expensive than an automatic. My GTI has a DSG...

Was the rattle coming from the dual-mass flywheel by any chance? The annoying chatter at idle while in gear?
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Old 07-23-2009, 10:54 AM
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What is the difference? I have a 1.8T and the window sticker listed the tranny as a tiptronic ( and it is a 6 speed auto)
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If you have a six-speed, it's a DSG, not a Tiptronic. And yes, DSG transmissions ARE more expensive than an automatic. My GTI has a DSG...

Was the rattle coming from the dual-mass flywheel by any chance? The annoying chatter at idle while in gear?
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Old 07-23-2009, 01:41 PM
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What is the difference? I have a 1.8T and the window sticker listed the tranny as a tiptronic ( and it is a 6 speed auto)
TDI NB's from 04-06 were the only NB's to get the DSG transmission. In fact I believe that the NB w/TDI is the ONLY A4 car to ever get the DSG. I believe that all A5 "autos" are DSGs. The DSG is like two manual transmissions side by side, with two wet clutches. One clutch is for gears 1,3,5 and another clutch for 2,4,6.

Your 1.8T "tiptronic" is the 6 speed Jatco 09G. It is a traditional slushbox auto with a torque converter. 04+ A4 TDI cars got a 5 speed version of this transmission.
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Old 07-23-2009, 02:44 PM
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No wonder these things cost a mint to have worked on. You need a PhD to understand just what is in your car!
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Old 07-23-2009, 02:51 PM
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I am NOT sure this is right. I have an 05 NB. I have a 6 speed DSG but I do NOT have Pedal shifters on the steering wheel. It is have a Tiptronic also. It has the Tiptronic shift plate and everything. No, someone DID NOT do this as an aftermarket mod. I bought this car straight from the dealer. It had come straight off a truck. They had to remove plastic, for me to test drive it. It came that way. I have a DSG Tiptronic transmission. It is fully possible. I have one. The paperwork from the dealer even shows this. AND it was on the window sticker.

I actually DO NOT fully understand the differences between the DSG and the Tiptronic. Every time it has been explained to me, it was like they spoke a foreign language. AND then you have MY car, which makes it even harder to understand.

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If you have a six-speed, it's a DSG, not a Tiptronic. And yes, DSG transmissions ARE more expensive than an automatic. My GTI has a DSG...

Was the rattle coming from the dual-mass flywheel by any chance? The annoying chatter at idle while in gear?

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Old 07-23-2009, 03:40 PM
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Just to help people identify if they have the DSG or "regular" Tiptronic - look at your shift knob. If there is a chrome band at the bottom of the "T" knob and says "DSG", you have the DSG. If you have a black band at the bottom of the "T" knob, you don't have DSG and have a "regular" Tiptronic.

I'm looking for a picture of my original interior to show the difference.
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Old 07-23-2009, 03:42 PM
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Here it is:

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Old 07-23-2009, 04:10 PM
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I believe that all A5 "autos" are DSGs.

Nope. All A5/MKV cars that do NOT have a normal manual transmission OR TURBO(or turbodiesel) engine are Tiptronic. Same goes for both Rabbit and Jetta.
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Old 07-23-2009, 04:41 PM
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Look at your transmission code:

02J - 5-speed manual
04A - 5-speed manual
02M - 5- and 6-speed manual
01M - 4-speed manual
09G - 6-speed automatic with Tiptronic
02E - Direct shift gearbox (DSG)
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Old 07-23-2009, 05:05 PM
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My shift panel Looks like yours Susan, but my info. from the dealer says Tiptronic. I do have the DSG band at the top though.
The sticker paper that was on my window from the factory says Tiptronic on it too. I have no idea why I even still have that, but I do. That is why I am confused.

I honestly have no idea.

Duffy where does one find their transmission code, may I ask?

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Old 07-23-2009, 05:13 PM
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Since, I AM NOT the person with a transmission issue, does anyone know what happened to OP?
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Old 07-23-2009, 05:19 PM
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Joanne (and everyone else) -

The Tiptronic part is more of a psuedo Tiptronic when it comes to the DSG. Technically, VW has the rights to call the DSG a Tiptronic - because a) they have the license from Porsche and b) it is a semi automatic. Read this wiki

Mine has the Tiptronic stuff on the paperwork to. This is the reason my signature says DSG & Tiptronic.

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My shift panel Looks like yours Susan, but my info. from the dealer says Tiptronic. I do have the DSG band at the top though.
The sticker paper that was on my window from the factory says Tiptronic on it too. I have no idea why I even still have that, but I do. That is why I am confused.

I honestly have no idea.

Duffy where does one find their transmission code, may I ask?
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Old 07-23-2009, 05:25 PM
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I was going to say that,....I think we probably have the same transmission. My car was one of the very last shipments of car made for 2005. If it had been one month later it would have been a 2006. So, I have a good idea our trannies are the same.

How do you like yours by the way?

Oh, and thanks for your help and input.
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Old 07-23-2009, 05:28 PM
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To clarify -

VW has had (to my knowledge) 3 different automatic transmissions. The original automatic from 98-sometime in 2001 or 2002. The Tiptronic (started in 2001 or 2002 forward) and the DSG Tiptronic (2004/2005 - forward).

There could be another version of the automatic floating out there.

If you have a DSG and call it a DSG Tiptronic and someone corrects you saying you don't have a Tiptronic, link them to the Wiki because you do and you have every right to call it a Tiptronic. VW did - its on the paperwork - and they have the right to call it that name according to their license and implementation.

And noR (or whoever) is absolutely correct - the DSG transmission is hella more expensive than the other 2. If you spend any money at all on your DSG Tip, get your transmission serviced on time and without fail. You will go a long way towards keeping it alive if you treat it right and get your service done before or on time. If you are late on the service, then you run the risk of destruction of the transmission and like the OP, you will spend a butt load getting it replaced.
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Old 07-23-2009, 05:31 PM
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Thanks Susan! Agreed!
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I like the transmission. It is very smooth. I have to fight a lot of truck traffic and the transmission responds appropriately. I can always drop into Tip mode and back down a gear for more response if I need it. I even read where that was supported. I think the manual (yes I RTFM!).

I have 36,700+ miles on the tranny now. I will be setting it up for its 40K service by the end of the summer or sometime in the fall.

I'm overall pleased with it. If it ever fails, I will weigh the costs of a new tranny or a 5spd swap. I hope I never have a failure. I plan on keeping this car for a long time.

What do you think of yours?


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I was going to say that,....I think we probably have the same transmission. My car was one of the very last shipments of car made for 2005. If it had been one month later it would have been a 2006. So, I have a good idea our trannies are the same.

How do you like yours by the way?

Oh, and thanks for your help and input.
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Old 07-23-2009, 06:33 PM
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I have the original 01M transmissions from 99 to 2002 I believe. Nothing fancy about it. Prone to failure. Oh well. I'm waiting so I can swap for a 5spd. If I wait long enough I may get a 6spd.

Though you guys have the dual mass flywheel which is prone to failure. And that's pretty pricey to replace I hear.
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Old 07-23-2009, 07:48 PM
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I have to admit that I like it. But the DSG is kind of a waste on me. I have never driven a manual transmission, so I don't know anything about shifting. So, I myself, have never used it in sport mode. Sad huh? I suppose I could go across the street to a neighbor and have him teach me how to drive a stick. He has some kind of old fast Mustang. Dunno? I really doesn't do anything for me... I would rather hear the purr of a Turbo S. My husband has used the Sport mode though, but he like to pretend he is Billy bad-a$$. Guy thing I guess.
He will never admit it but he LOVES my car. I just know it.



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I like the transmission. It is very smooth. I have to fight a lot of truck traffic and the transmission responds appropriately. I can always drop into Tip mode and back down a gear for more response if I need it. I even read where that was supported. I think the manual (yes I RTFM!).

I have 36,700+ miles on the tranny now. I will be setting it up for its 40K service by the end of the summer or sometime in the fall.

I'm overall pleased with it. If it ever fails, I will weigh the costs of a new tranny or a 5spd swap. I hope I never have a failure. I plan on keeping this car for a long time.

What do you think of yours?
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