which one go better

[benzza]

if i want to put engine on my bug which one should i choose VR6 2.8 or 1.8T

which one is more useful about petrol and power

[Billsbug]

:pinch:

[noR]

W12 in place of the back seat.

[noR]

otherwise go with the VR6.

[karn_porsche]

You should put either one you can find. The power and mas mileage always go in the same direction. The high performance car never advertise the best gas mileage.:D

[benzza]

i can find two of them now but they have the difference price also 1.8T much more expensive but i dont know i think V6 much better than V4 but 1.8t the engine is lighter so give me some comment

[gilligan]

Heres a comment pick one!!!! and quit creating new post hammering the same damm question go with the vr 6 then when you hate like everyone on here has told you about a billion times you can go with one of the others!!!:mad: GAWD!!!!

[benzza]

sorry bro to much questionz for u but its hard to choose cuxx lots of money to invest and also it is thailand and i think am the first one in thailand who will change this kind of thing on beetle so have to decide clearly okay and actually i dont know much about this two engine so i have to get lots of details on other okay and soory again if u were me u will do like me man thank for ur commnent

[zeusenergy]

sorry bro to much questionz for u but its hard to choose cuxx lots of money to invest and also it is thailand and i think am the first one in thailand who will change this kind of thing on beetle so have to decide clearly okay and actually i dont know much about this two engine so i have to get lots of details on other okay and soory again if u were me u will do like me man thank for ur commnent
Either way you have to do so much more than drop in a motor!! Electrics, mounts, transmission, computer, exhaust, wire harness, accessories, etc.:rolleyes:
Find a complete car that has been wrecked and buy the whole lot.
You will get more power from a VR6 straight away.

[zeusenergy]

W12 in place of the back seat.
That would be sick!!!:D

[gilligan]

That would be sick!!!:DYes unfortunately the only place to find a v12 is in a vw phaeton and at $96,000 American I'm guessing it's out of his/our price range.

[benzza]

thank you for all comments i deicided to get 1.8T engine and suspension i think therer is a revo program can upgrade from 150 hp to 218 hp what u guys think i think is more power than Vr6 right

[zeusenergy]

Yes unfortunately the only place to find a v12 is in a vw phaeton and at $96,000 American I'm guessing it's out of his/our price range.
That, and it would be very difficult to get that kind of power down to the road minus the AWD!
But if you have the $ for a W12 motor, why not AWD too!:cool:

[Picknicker]

If you want to keep the VR6 stock - take the 1.8T and give it a new chip. Than you've got about the same power (approx 180 to 210 in the 1.8t vs 193 in the VR6). If you might want to keep increasing the power - take the VR6 500hp - no problem at all.

And (very important) - the vr6 (even stock) has a gorgeous sound :) :) :)

w12 in a Beetle - sounds like the Wörthersee GTI W12-650 concept :)

[pinky]

stock-for-stock power will be about equal but the VR6 is heavier.

vr6 sounds a lot better

1.8t with a chip will be faster than the VR6

[Picknicker]

a 1.8t will equal a 2.8 or 2.9 vr6 - but even a chipped 1.8t will have serious problems with a 3.2 or 3.6 vr6 i guess...

a 3.2 has (stock) 241 HP or 250 HP (depending on the year built) and a 3.6 has 300 HP...

Event the torque is higher - the 3.2l engines develop 300 to 320 Nm (221 - 236 lbs ft) and the 3.6l engine develops 350 Nm (258 lbs ft)...

A 1.8t will be faster from 50mph to 80mph in the last gear (more torque in the lower rpms 'cause of the turbo)...

[pinky]

i've seen 1.8ts with bolts ons do 210-220ish whp and 260ish wtq...

the VR6 is also quite a bit heavier (power/weight) and will most likely throw off the handling of the car.. plus, you should probably change out the front suspension if you're adding a VR6, which i just going to add to the cost..

but if $ is no object, 2.8T is pretty fun.

[Billsbug]

http://www.forcefedengineering.com/stage4.htm

[Picknicker]

:eek: 600whp - that's evil!



The weight problem might be an aspect. Though - I don't know how much weight the whole turbo thing (charger, intercooler) adds for that the vr6 is no real V6 - more a row 6 with the size of an row 5 or large row 4...

But I really dunno... A scale and two engines would be nice :) Anyone swapping a 1.8t with a vr6 :) ?

[Billsbug]

Anyone swapping a 1.8t with a vr6 :) ?
http://www.hpamotorsports.com

[Picknicker]

I personally would be interested in a 4Motion / AWD conversion - or the costs - swapping the engine is not so hard as the Beetle is based on the Golf MK IV platform (so is the Audi A4 and TT - which share the same Haldex and Engine with the R32) - so the engine swap doesn't need that much of customization - but the 4 motion - I dunno - I'm not a professional mechanic but without the proper tools - that's hard :(


Google translated Homepage - www.hgp-turbo.de (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hgp-turbo.de%2Fvw%2Fr32.html&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=de&ie=UTF8)

[Billsbug]

HPA and HGP do the same thing, but I've never heard of anyone putting in AWD and leaving in the 1.8T. I think it's $45K for the VR6 twin turbo swap and AWD conversion.

[Picknicker]

If AWD - then with a vr6 please :) The engines itself are not that expensive (used onse with low milage) - also engines, trans, haldex, axels, wiring harness, ecu - basicly everything you need for a conversion - are not that expensive.
Swapping the engine is doable if you got a friend who's "in the business". But I imagine a AWD conversion is hard...

The costs for swapping an engine are also ok - but the AWD might be expensive...

Anyway - it might be cheaper than buying a rsi :) plus - you get serious benefits: One of a kind and cheaper in insurance (at least mostly in germany as the insurance companies go by the "key number" of the car - what car it was built as - not what car is it now :) )

[Billsbug]

If AWD - then with a vr6 please :) The engines itself are not that expensive (used onse with low milage) - also engines, trans, haldex, axels, wiring harness, ecu - basicly everything you need for a conversion - are not that expensive.
Swapping the engine is doable if you got a friend who's "in the business". But I imagine a AWD conversion is hard...

The costs for swapping an engine are also ok - but the AWD might be expensive...

Anyway - it might be cheaper than buying a rsi :) plus - you get serious benefits: One of a kind and cheaper in insurance (at least mostly in germany as the insurance companies go by the "key number" of the car - what car it was built as - not what car is it now :) )

Buy a used Rsi here: http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/search.html?isSearchRequest=true&sortOption.sortBy=price.consumerGrossEuro&sortOption.sortOrder=ASCENDING&lang=en&scopeId=C&_features=on&negativeFeatures=EXPORT&bodyStyleRadio=&makeModelVariant1.makeId=25200&makeModelVariant1.modelId=24&makeModelVariant1.modelDescription=rsi&makeModelVariant2.makeId=&makeModelVariant2.modelDescription=&makeModelVariant3.makeId=&makeModelVariant3.modelDescription=&minFirstRegistrationDate=&maxFirstRegistrationDate=&minMileage=&maxMileage=&minPowerAsArray=&minPowerAsArray=KW&maxPowerAsArray=&maxPowerAsArray=KW&minPrice=&maxPrice=&fuel=&doorCount=&transmission=&country=&zipcode=&climatisation=&emissionClass=&adLimitation=&daysAfterCreation=&damageUnrepaired=NO_DAMAGE_UNREPAIRED&usageType= , twin turbo it, now u've got a cheap super car. ;)

[Picknicker]

Buy a used Rsi here: http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/search.html?isSearchRequest=true&sortOption.sortBy=price.consumerGrossEuro&sortOption.sortOrder=ASCENDING&lang=en&scopeId=C&_features=on&negativeFeatures=EXPORT&bodyStyleRadio=&makeModelVariant1.makeId=25200&makeModelVariant1.modelId=24&makeModelVariant1.modelDescription=rsi&makeModelVariant2.makeId=&makeModelVariant2.modelDescription=&makeModelVariant3.makeId=&makeModelVariant3.modelDescription=&minFirstRegistrationDate=&maxFirstRegistrationDate=&minMileage=&maxMileage=&minPowerAsArray=&minPowerAsArray=KW&maxPowerAsArray=&maxPowerAsArray=KW&minPrice=&maxPrice=&fuel=&doorCount=&transmission=&country=&zipcode=&climatisation=&emissionClass=&adLimitation=&daysAfterCreation=&damageUnrepaired=NO_DAMAGE_UNREPAIRED&usageType= , twin turbo it, now u've got a cheap super car. ;)
the first three in the list are racecars - not street legal (at least in germany) :(
the next cheapest one is 47k ... A HPA customization would be cheaper ;)
The next problem would be the money... :(

[NBTurboFreak]

stock-for-stock power will be about equal but the VR6 is heavier.

vr6 sounds a lot better

1.8t with a chip will be faster than the VR6

First a stock VR6 (12v or 24v) will have more power than a stock 1.8t.

I will have to agree on the sound given the right exhaust system.

A 1.8t with a chip and some bolt ons may be faster in the low range but I am sorry the VR6 it going to catch you in the mid range and pass you on top end. The 1.8t will spike with power then drop off as the turbo runs out of breath whereas the VR6 will have a more liner power band.

Myself, I would love to go with a VR6 conversion but don't want the headache of the conversion and then working on it when something breaks, it is already cramped enough in there, IMO. So for now I will do what I can with my 1.8t and know my limitations and how my power band works.