The Porsches of the family

[NYBugman]

First came my Father's 1985 911 Factory Turbo-Look (M491 option code). As you probably guessed, it came from the factory with Turbo bodywork and brakes. It also has uncommon options as a full leather interior. It is super-clean for an '85. It is modded, but not much. It has a Steve W. DME chip, Dansk euro pre-muffler (cat delete), and a Dansk sport muffler. It has also been lowered using the factory adjustments (bet some of you didn't know that torsion-bar 911's came with adjustable suspensions!). The only addition we made cosmetically were clear front markers (not pictured) and OEM leather sport seats. It is a comfortable and fast cruiser; a real GT car.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/Mikes72sb/DSCN9435_2.jpg


Of course, he doesn't want to take this car on the track, but still wants to race (and so do I). So, there was no other option but to go for another 911.

This time, it's a 1980 911SC. The P.O. already modded the 3.0L engine with 46mm PMO carburetors, SSI heat exchangers and a Monty muffler, and MSD ignition. Where the 3.2L of the black car has low-end grunt, the 3.0L revs without hesitation. Also, the SC is probably 150-200 pounds lighter than the TL, which makes for a VERY quick car. We are going to mod this car further with the track in mind. Toss out anything too heavy (audio equipment for starters), smooth the bumpers, lower the car (bilsteins already on it), ducktail rear spoiler, factory chin spoiler, and did I mention a diet plan for the car ;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/Mikes72sb/DSCN1362.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/Mikes72sb/DSCN1360.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/Mikes72sb/DSCN1358.jpg

NOW you understand why it says "Porsche Support Vehicle" next to my avatar!

[dnyed]

Dang. Dream cars! :bowdown:

[Porkchop]

Awesome cars - my dream car is an '84-'89 Porsche 911. Which makes your dad's car with the factory widebody my ultimate dream car... so if he ever sells, please let me know. :)

I graduate with my masters May 2008 and my graduation gift WILL be my dream car. Looks like a non-turbo version in mint condition goes for around $25K-$30K. Heck, people spend more than that on a boring old Toyota :)

You should keep us updated on these cars in this thread - it'll save me having to get my Porsche fix elsewhere.

[jazzcat]

wow...too bad they dont make those cars big guy friendly or i would really want one



amazing machines..very nice


keep us posted on the details of the one you are going to modify..im curious as to how thats going to end up

[EVZBUG]

Beautiful cars, including your Beetle for sale (pun intended I guess). I'd love to one day have an air-cooled 911, either a 993 Carrera 4 Cabriolet or a 930 Turbo Cabriolet. I've seen some 930 Turbo Cabriolets for sale, and they were about $50k, which was a LOT less than I thought they'd go for, given their rarity. BTW, where do you buy your wheels? I got mine at www.wheelenhancement.com. They only sell new and reconditioned Porsche wheels. They even refurbished a wheel I scuffed up in Boston to its true silver (which most places can't duplicate).

[IgottaBug!]

Love the black car, but I would take any 911 in good condition! I'd prefer a 911 turbo carerra 4, if I had the money. Saw the tail lights of many Porsche's while in Germany. Man, there fast!

[NYBugman]

BTW, where do you buy your wheels?

Ebay. The seller was local, too. Refinished them with Wurth silver wheel paint.

[JonK]

Hi,

Very Cool Cars!

John K.

[NYBugman]

Just a little update on the White Car.

She's at Rudtner's Racing (http://www.rudtnersracing.com/) getting a LOT of work done. This includes a new, fully adjustable suspension, new bodywork (IROC front bumper, smooth rear), new oil cooling system, new seats, etc etc. As mentioned before, this car will be a track car with occasional street use. It's going to be one hell of a ride when it's done:cool:

[NYBugman]

well, here is our SC is now:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/Mikes72sb/White%20911/DSCN0365.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/Mikes72sb/White%20911/DSCN0367.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/Mikes72sb/White%20911/DSCN0368.jpg

Some of you may be looking at the pic and saying, "Ok, it's got some cool bumpers on it and a ducktail, and it's lowered, get to the good stuff!". I'm getting there...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/Mikes72sb/White%20911/DSCN0366.jpg

Cobra seats and 6-point harnesses attached to an OG Racing cage. We scraped out about 30 pounds of sound insulation from this car, no joke. The P.O. really liked his sound, but who needs any other soundtrack than the Flat-6 pumping away, PMO's ingesting the atmosphere and a Monty Muffler spitting it all out?!

And what a Flat-6 it is!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/Mikes72sb/White%20911/DSCN0362.jpg

46mm PMO's hint at what lies inside the engine ;) Here's the short list:

JE Pistons
10:1 compression ratio
Ported heads
Dougherty DC40 cams
SSI's
MSD ignition
Competition valve job
Racing valve springs
TI retainers
993 headstuds
...among other things (it's still a 3.0, BTW)

wanna see it on the dyno? OK!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/Mikes72sb/th_DSCN0359.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v101/Mikes72sb/?action=view&current=DSCN0359.flv)

right now she put down a little over 250hp to the wheels @ 6500rpm.

That's all well and good, but the car has to turn right? Sure it does. It's sitting on almost every part out of the Elephant Racing catalog. 29mm front and 32mm rear torsion bars, fully adjustable swaybars, poly-bronze bushings all around, Bilstein shocks and more.

What's that? Brakes? 930 Turbo brakes at all 4 corners haul the car down.

So, there you have it. We'll be bringing this car to Watkins Glenn for a Metro PCA DE weekend next week to see how she does. It's light, it makes good power, it turns well and it stops well. Pops should have some fun. Don't worry, I'm going to co-drive it starting next season. Can't let him have all the fun :D

Big, BIG thanks to Bill Rudtner and his crew at Rudtner's Racing for building this car, and for generally being a bunch of cool guys who love what they do, and it shows!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/Mikes72sb/White%20911/DSCN0350.jpg

decent pics coming this weekend. all of these pictures were taken in haste.

oh, and the car is plenty quick =)

For next season we plan on painting the car Signal Orange, as well as a few other goodies here and there.

Enjoy...I know I will :D

[NYBugman]

New pics!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/Mikes72sb/White%20911/DSCN0377.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/Mikes72sb/White%20911/DSCN0383.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/Mikes72sb/White%20911/DSCN0379.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/Mikes72sb/White%20911/DSCN0378.jpg

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[Herbie3Rivers]

I love it! I would love to get my hands on an early 911 like that. What color are you guys gonna paint it when it's all done?

[NYBugman]

The SC will be orange. Bright orange.

[NYBugman]

I haven't updated this thread in a long while, so here's something new for you guys.

I have finally driven both cars. There truly is no substitute.

The Black car is still doing fine. Excellent cruiser, but terribly slow, fat and boring when compared to this thing:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/Mikes72sb/DSC01200.jpg

It has change a bit from the last time it appeared in this thread. Obviously, the new wheels and tires. They are Kodiak RT 3-piece wheels with hidden fasteners. 17x8 and 17x9 front/rear. Tires are Yokohama Advan A038 in 225-45-17 and 255-40-17. This weekend will be their first time at the track, and we expect this setup to be light years ahead of the old setup of 16x7 16x8 Fuchs with Goodyear Eagle F1 tires (now they're the rain setup)

Also, we sold the ducktail and replaced it with a fiberglass replica of an early 930 tail. The car is much more stable under high-speed braking (100mph+) thanks to the increased downforce.

What you can's see are the brake cooling ducts and the Rennshift shifter. The brake cooling ducts will really help keep brake fade away and the Rennshift is simply amazing. Best shifter I've ever felt. Super-positive action and very strong billet aluminum construction with adjustable throws.

The engine got re-tuned, so it's feeling stronger than before. Over the winter we will be taking a lot more weight out of it, including cutting out the steel roof and putting in a fiberglass roof panel.

Also, we sold our old steel trailer and picked up a Trailex aluminum one

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/Mikes72sb/DSC01202.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/Mikes72sb/DSC01201.jpg

at 900 pounds, it is 1/2 the weight of the steel one. Much easier to tow. Well worth the money new, and even better when you get a bargain on the PCA classifieds.

[silverspeedbuggy]

I love older Porsches; learned stick on a 68 912 with the spring-loaded stick. IIRC it was down to the left for first, then when you shift POP it jumped up and into 2nd gear. Fun car.

Can't wait to see it in orange!

[NYBugman]

I guess I should update this thread:

We ran the car at Lime Rock and Pocono this season

Lime Rock (pre R-compound):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/Mikes72sb/Metro%20PCA%20LRP/DSC01167.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/Mikes72sb/Metro%20PCA%20LRP/DSC01147.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/Mikes72sb/Metro%20PCA%20LRP/DSC01146.jpg

Pocono:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/Mikes72sb/Pocono%20PCA%2010-07/DSC01252.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/Mikes72sb/Pocono%20PCA%2010-07/DSC01212.jpg

and when you do this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/Mikes72sb/3-wheel.jpg

you get this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/Mikes72sb/Pocono%20PCA%2010-07/DSC01249.jpg

So, we'll have to roll the fenders.

Unfortunately, at the end of our Pocono weekend, the car developed a problem which we traced to the carbs. They were just dumping fuel into the engine and causing the car to belch white/blue smoke, and raw fuel would come out of the exhaust. So...we will eliminate this problem forever with yet another engine build!

Stroke the crank to 72mm
102mm Nikasil pistons from LN Engineering
Individual Throttle Bodies
Dual plug heads
10.5:1 compression
Haltech ECU running fuel and crank-fire ignition

So, we're looking at a 3.5L engine that will make well over 300whp, and it will be reliable, responsive, and FAST.

[jazzcat]

drooooooooooooool

[NYBugman]

Well, plans have changed regarding the new engine.

It will be a little under 3.8 liters now. We're figuring on 400whp now :eek:

We sold the 3.0L to a gentleman in England. It will ship out in January. The 3.8 will be based on a 3.2L case with a stroked 3.2L crank and heavily worked 3.2 heads. The pistons will still be 102mm. ALso, the crank will be ground down for 2" rod journals so we can use Nascar bearings. This will enable us to spin it to 8600rpm if we like! Add in a few tricks here and there and this will be an engine that will really be worthy of a magazine feature. Trust me, no expense is being spared on this one. This engine will be one of the mist trick engines out there and the best part is that we'll never be looking for more power...

...We'll have to get more suspension and rubber now ;)

[TechnoTrix'd]

Looking good, any lap times from these outings? At Pocono, which track layout did you run, North/East/South?

Curious minds want to know...

[bugsy98nb]

* HOLY Porsche * hehe Nice rides :goodjob:

[vibelife]

I want!!

[NYBugman]

Looking good, any lap times from these outings? At Pocono, which track layout did you run, North/East/South?

Curious minds want to know...

No official times. Next season I want to start timing the runs. I do know that the R compounds made a huge difference once we got the pressures right, and that Pops is getting smoother, which means faster. We ran Pocono North that weekend. The SC would catch up to (and pass) the big-boys in the twisty bits, but fall behind on the straights. They have the power, but the SC is much lighter and more nimble, so we can brake later, turn later, and generally upset people with more $$$. Unfortunately, the 3.0L just didn't have the torque to pull it out of corners very quickly and it needed to be shifted a lot as a result. It shouldn't be a problem with the new engine.

As far as the new engine is concerned, we're looking at a 3.75L engine and expecting 400-425hp N/A. Put that in a 2400lb car and we're talking a better power-to-weight ratio than a 996 GT3 Cup Car.

ITB's and Haltech
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/Mikes72sb/Engine%20Build/Picture010.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/Mikes72sb/Engine%20Build/PC180001.jpg

A know there will be more than a few embarrassed 996 turbo drivers next season :D

The only concern now is that with the new power we will need more rubber and suspension, so we'll eventually go widebody and get coilovers. Also, the 915 geabox will have to make way for a G50 with an LSD, but that's for next season, or the season after.

[scarabY2k]

Mike, you and your pops are livin' the life mang! Diggin the old school 911's for sure. Other than wanting a 911, i'd love to get my hands on a 914. Keep the pics coming bro. We're living our dreams through you and your Dad:D

[karn_porsche]

Mike, you made me miss my friends car. My friend in Thailand whom I helped him put porsche enigine on 1974 Super Beetle has exactly same 911 as yours. He owns the garage so he has 911, 1974 and 1963 beetle and S8. I don't have the pics of them but this is his VW garage website. www.vwshowtime.com

Keep this updated. My dream car.;)

[TheInvisibleDork]

Flippin' sweet 911s, man. I love the sound of an old air-cooled Porsche.

[Herbie3Rivers]

I love those Porsches. I read this thread and it reminds me of the book. The Gold Plated Porsche.

[NYBugman]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/Mikes72sb/Engine%20Build/untitled.jpg

soon...:cool:

[katwalk]

wow those are beautiful

[NYBugman]

Well, it's been a long while since I updated this thread...

The car did not make it out to the track this year. Hell, it didn't make it out of the shop! It tool longer than expected to get the car right, but patience is a virtue.

My Dad and I will be taking the car back soon and making a place for it in our ship/garage at work. There, we will have the room to do what we plan. What are we going to do?

Steel 930 fenders all around, RSR Bumper & fiberglass hood.

Of course, the 17x8" & 9" wheels won't work. We'll have them re-barreled to 17x9.5 & 17x11.

:)

[JEGSSR]

I've owned a few 914's, a 914-6, a 912, and a 356B Diettren Roadster, but never a 911. And I'd take my NB over any of them. Of course I wouldn't have when I was younger!

[bigsexyTDI]

Don't know how I ever missed this thread!

Is it orange yet? I actually like it the way it is. I always like it when the older uglier (to some people) car beats the shiny new ones.

[NYBugman]

Is it orange yet?

It is not orange, and it probably won't end up orange. Now, we're aiming for white with black "Carrera", but everything is subject to change for no reason.

Essentially, we're building a Carrera 3.0 RS look-alike

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3116/2418987077_88090d604f.jpg

Oh, and it got 365whp on the dyno before it was fully tuned. That workes out to about 415hp at the crank. The car weighs a little over 2400lbs. Do the math:cool:

[Ghia_Roadster]

:eek::ohnoes: wow.....and i think 200hp/220tq 1915cc turbo in a lightened old bug is fast.....:p

[NYBugman]

:eek::ohnoes: wow.....and i think 200hp/220tq 1915cc turbo in a lightened old bug is fast.....:p

Your bug sounds like it's no slouch in the speed department:cool:

But, the Porsche is geared L-O-N-G. Honestly, we think it is geared too long for the shorter tracks we visit. It would be good for Watkins Glen, but we don't get there often. So, maybe next year we'll do a G50 gearbox with custom gears. Right now, the 915 will have to hold one for one more season

[NYBugman]

we're aiming for something like this...

http://www.patrickmotorsports.com/img/projects/20422.jpg

[Hammer]

1979 911s with steel conversion, M491 suspension/brakes, 1979 sc motor 915 tranny

http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp201/2xxnoxy/IMG_2125501194728390-1.jpg

http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp201/2xxnoxy/IMG_23511197742485-1-1.jpg

http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp201/2xxnoxy/IMG_23471197742415-1.jpg