Beware: Thecheat cheated me.

[elancee]

Originally Posted by pdoel

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If I were Ray, I'd be wondering if there ever really was a turbo in Justin's possession that was available for sale.

Yeah, that's been going through my mind since this thread began.

[miffmole]

Originally Posted by pdoel

If I were Ray, I'd be wondering if there ever really was a turbo in Justin's possession that was available for sale.

That's what I've been thinking all along...
More than likely:
a) There is no turbo at this point
b) Ray's money is long ago spent
c) Justin has no available cash for a refund

[raymondlee]

no Tracking #'s texted to me as of yet? no answered calls either.

I guess he was so busy with work at rotors to motors headquarters because the tech who suposedly shipped my stuff,(instead of justin himself)the tech who has sole custody of my tracking numbers called in and used one his sick days because rotors to motors has a great benefits package for its employee's

[raymondlee]

im pretty sure he is subscribe to this thread. and get email notifications on his phone

[scarabY2k]

I've been in a business, and still am, where a great deal of sales were hinged on outbound shipping. Rule #1 when shipping- always get a tracking number. Ground shippers have tracking numbers, LTL freight lines have pro numbers. I don't think this is anything out of the ordinary or asking too much of the shipper; it's standard operating procedure.

Now in the case of making something good for someone, one should PERSONALLY invest their OWN time and effort on shipping out the product themself, along with making sure every failsafe i.e. tracking/pro numbers are excuted and recorded. There is no way anyone who is trying to build a business or trying to repair poor customer service, would ship a make-good order/transaction without making sure he/she has a tracking number. UPS and FedEx has tracking numbers on the shipping label, as well as on the receipt. Any business person, especially small, that would put this matter in the hands of someone else, is irresponisble. There's no way I would've placed this in someone elses hands without expressed emphatic directions that I WANT A TRACKING NUMBER BEFORE YOU LEAVE THE SHIPPER AND A SUBSEQUENT PHONE CALL TO ME WITH SAID TRACKING NUMBER. When it comes down to it, Pete hit it on the head: more excuses, after excuses, after excuses.

This is not a way to conduct business period, and anyone who thinks that this is acceptable is building their business on a foundation of failure.

Just own your mistake, whatever the degree of the infraction may be. I recently had a mess up on my end of producing shirts for the Tail Of The Dragon- some were the wrong size. These good people paid for the merchandise. I didn't cover up my mistake with an excuse- I owned it. Not only did I own it, but I value my word. So i not only am making good their order but i'm adding a complimentary t-shirt of their choice as my way of saying 'sorry for screwing up your order'. It was only for 2 people and some will say this is not necessary. But as for me, my word and my integrity mean a lot- a good name is better than riches. Anyone can spew words out of their mouths. But if there's no integrity to what you're saying, your words are just hot garbage and worthless.

This really pains me, because Justin was a big help to me and coached me along with my timing belt/water pump/etc. DIY install. I even started a thread singing his praises. But this incident is squashing all off my efforts to help him establish his business and it's nobody's fault but his. If your word has no integrity, you yourself have none, business or otherwise. This is truly sad and has me in a conundrum, because I consider Ray a good friend of mine.

[Yello_jellybean]

WOW! I really have been quite hit or miss lately, on the Org. All I can say is "WOW!" after I read this thread.

Raymondlee, I am SOooo sorry that this is happening to you, and cost a VERY good friendship.

With that said, I am not condoning what Justin has done, I have never dealt with the guy, and to be honest, I really know nothing about him. Although,.... doesn't anyone wonder if there isn't something BIGGER going on with Justin that maybe we should be concerned about? Obviously no excuse makes THIS situation right, but it just went south so fast, and seems really.....I don't know.... out of character. (???)) It also seems like he wants to fix the situation, based on his earlier post. So none of it makes any sense to me.

I am the person that has this undying hope for the human race, so I just naturally try to make sense of things. So far, it's not working from me.

Hang in there Ray. I am hoping for the best, for you and The Cheat.

[smartchick2009]

this thread really has blown up....
just saying.
i wish he would just do the right thing already.
I hate seeing ray like this

[Beetlescott]

Originally Posted by scarabY2k

I've been in a business, and still am, where a great deal of sales were hinged on outbound shipping. Rule #1 when shipping- always get a tracking number. Ground shippers have tracking numbers, LTL freight lines have pro numbers. I don't think this is anything out of the ordinary or asking too much of the shipper; it's standard operating procedure.

Now in the case of making something good for someone, one should PERSONALLY invest their OWN time and effort on shipping out the product themself, along with making sure every failsafe i.e. tracking/pro numbers are excuted and recorded. There is no way anyone who is trying to build a business or trying to repair poor customer service, would ship a make-good order/transaction without making sure he/she has a tracking number. UPS and FedEx has tracking numbers on the shipping label, as well as on the receipt. Any business person, especially small, that would put this matter in the hands of someone else, is irresponisble. There's no way I would've placed this in someone elses hands without expressed emphatic directions that I WANT A TRACKING NUMBER BEFORE YOU LEAVE THE SHIPPER AND A SUBSEQUENT PHONE CALL TO ME WITH SAID TRACKING NUMBER. When it comes down to it, Pete hit it on the head: more excuses, after excuses, after excuses.

This is not a way to conduct business period, and anyone who thinks that this is acceptable is building their business on a foundation of failure.

Just own your mistake, whatever the degree of the infraction may be. I recently had a mess up on my end of producing shirts for the Tail Of The Dragon- some were the wrong size. These good people paid for the merchandise. I didn't cover up my mistake with an excuse- I owned it. Not only did I own it, but I value my word. So i not only am making good their order but i'm adding a complimentary t-shirt of their choice as my way of saying 'sorry for screwing up your order'. It was only for 2 people and some will say this is not necessary. But as for me, my word and my integrity mean a lot- a good name is better than riches. Anyone can spew words out of their mouths. But if theirs no integrity to what you're saying, your words are just hot garbage and worthless.

This really pains me, because Justin was a big help to me and coached me along with my timing belt/water pump/etc. DIY install. I even started a thread singing his praises. But this incident is squashing all off my efforts to help him establish his business. If your word has no integrity, you have none, business or otherwise. This is truly sad and has me in a conundrum, because I consider Ray a good friend of mine.

Al, you are so right! I owned my own business for 18 years, that is the life and breath of a business. I sent my secret santas gift last year, and didn't get a tracking number. Two weeks after I sent it, I started to get worried. Thankfully it arrived in time and all was well. I learned a lesson about tracking.

[scarabY2k]

Originally Posted by Yello_jellybean

I am the person that has this undying hope for the human race, so I just naturally try to make sense of things. So far, it's not working from me.

I hear ya Joanne, which all the more pains me. One of my favorite quotes is...

"I keep my ideals, because in spite of everything I still believe that people are really good at heart". -Anne Frank

In spite of the "it's not working for me", don't give up kiddo.

[raymondlee]

trust me. I tried to believe in this guy, because i at some point considered him a friend. but When you only answer 2 out of 300 hundred calls and return 0 calls and refused to respond to texts. I have a serious problem with that. and inspite of all that bs, he had the auduacity to call me NOT about my turbo but about the size the axle nut on a mk3 jetta that he was working on at the time.

at this point if the cheat is alive, he is wrong.Their is no other valid excuse.



I cant believe this guy tried o give me a late night pep talk on about how to be a "man"


but cant even live up to his word.

after this week i am done with this thread. I got screwed.No refund. no turbo.


I'll turbo my car on my own, with my own parts. I dont need this pathetic excuse of a person's parts or handouts.

[Yello_jellybean]

Good quote Al. ( HI AL!) That really is how I look at things. I just hope that Justin IS the guy that we thought he was. Somehow, for some weird reason, I am worried about him. I have no idea why. I don't even KNOW the guy.
All I know is that, I just keep hoping that something good is gonna come out of all of this. For BOTH Ray and The Cheat.

Originally Posted by scarabY2k

I hear ya Joanne, which all the more pains me. One of my favorite quotes is...

"I keep my ideals, because in spite of everything I still believe that people are really good at heart". -Anne Frank

In spite of the "it's not working for me", don't give up kiddo.

[Smileybug]

Well if you go through the thread, this certainly isn't the first instance of him being dishonest. Seems as though as far back as 2007 he was being called out on other forums and he would just leave. He also did someone wrong who came here and posted and no one wanted to listen to them. Yes, maybe there is something up with Justin, but the fact that he couldn't man up over the past 6 months and come clean with his error does not bode well for him and his reputation.

[Yello_jellybean]

AWWW Ray, Buddy hang in there. We are all pulling for ya.
You are DEFINITELY not wrong AT ALL. AND you have every right to feel the way you do. Lord knows, I would be all puffed up and pissed off too. LOL!

Originally Posted by raymondlee

trust me. I tried to believe in this guy, because i at some point considered him a friend. but When you only answer 2 out of 300 hundred calls and return 0 calls and refused to respond to texts. I have a serious problem with that. and inspite of all that bs, he had the auduacity to call me NOT about my turbo but about the size the axle nut on a mk3 jetta that he was working on at the time.

at this point if the cheat is alive, he is wrong.Their is no other valid excuse.



I cant believe this guy tried o give me a late night pep talk on about to be a "man"


but cant even live up to his word.

after this week i am done with this thread. I got screwed.No refund. no turbo.

[D2Beetle]

Well with everyone trying to "redeem" the reputation of this individual I decide to do some research to see if there was anything redeemable. What I found is only circumstantial so what ever you decide is your opinion.

Here is my post with all of the links that I have found so far concerning "thecheat" and/or "thecheat1206", with and without spaces. I did not include any NB.org threads. If I come across any other links from this individual I will update this post.

Even though he had a low post count at each of these other forums he was always knee deep in some project from the get go and in need of some help; the projects cars were Audi's, BMW's, Neon's, Sabaru's, Saturn's and various VW Mk1's thru Mk4's, to include a TDI.

The only thing that I found compelling was the use of two different last names (Andrew(s) - Gregory) and two different CT locations (Southbury - New Britain). So aside from what has been posted in this thread, what do we really know about this individual?

[callisto9]

Originally Posted by Smileybug

Well if you go through the thread, this certainly isn't the first instance of him being dishonest. Seems as though as far back as 2007 he was being called out on other forums and he would just leave. He also did someone wrong who came here and posted and no one wanted to listen to them. Yes, maybe there is something up with Justin, but the fact that he couldn't man up over the past 6 months and come clean with his error does not bode well for him and his reputation.

+1

I hate to say it, but I'm pretty sure Ray's never gonna see that part.

[Fowvay]

This is not to defend but simply an effort to inform by using my own experiences to showcase the "other side" of this coin.

When I was Justin's age I was undiagnosed rapid cycling bipolar disorder.

Rapid-cycling bipolar disorder is characterized by four or more mood episodes that occur within a 12-month period. Some people experience multiple episodes within a single week, or even within a single day. Rapid cycling tends to develop later in the course of illness. Women are more likely than men to have rapid cycling. A rapid-cycling pattern increases risk for severe depression and suicide attempts

One of my symptoms was uncontrollable chronic lying. It came not from the depression so much but from the mania. When I got excited ish would just flow from my mouth as if the filters for reality and fantasy somehow had disappeared in my brain. It didn't even matter if it was something small like telling someone the price I paid for eggs from the super market. If they were $1.19 I told people $0.99. Big stuff, little stuff, things other people did to straight out fantasy.

I remembered it all and wanted so desperately to believe it was real that it did in fact become real to me. I strongly believe I could have passed a lie detector test for the majority of it because I so urgently believed it to be true.

I hated myself through all of this and tried multiple attempts to kill myself through risky behavior and one actual suicide attempt.

I finally sought help after I fell in love with my ex wife and her refusal to marry me until I got treatment. I had been in therapy from the early 80's through 1992 and getting on medication in 1998 did in 6 months what 10 years of therapy couldn't do. It stopped the lying.

I now can pride myself on being truthful, honest and a man of my word. I occasionally still have moments that the meds aren't in control but instead of it dominating my life it's a small factor. Instead of it being the majority of my waking life it's a tiny minority that only causes me fleeting moments of anxiety and trouble.

Justin, Think of the medication as throttle control. Instead of it just being an on off switch you gain control and therefore gain control of your vehicle. In this case the vehicle being your sanity.

To the majority of the world lying is the malicious version of story telling and therefore considered intentional. While I know that this is but a symptom and you are a good guy underneath. People that haven't suffered this symptom can't *not don't* get it. Those of us that do get it don't want to put up with it and neither should you.

Get help my friend. It's time...

Tom

[QQQ]

Everyone lies (except me). But those who lie and create harm to others eventually get caught. That's the bad news. The good news I know who they are and I will never trust them again.

[iluvmyVersa08]

Have you still not received your items from him?

Wow that is disgusting. I can't believe he would do that. What kind of business man is he? Who receives the money for an item and then does not ship it out for 6 + months?

Hospital or no hospital, this individual seems to just be pulling excuses out his rear to get around the fact that he probably does not even have the item for you. 6 months is way to long to wait for an item. Where is he shipping it from? Is he having the Eskimos deliver it by foot? I would be extremely pissed off as well. I don't know how you are able to deal with this. I would not let this go without a fight.

[iluvmyVersa08]

Originally Posted by D2Beetle

. So aside from what has been posted in this thread, what do we really know about this individual?

From the sounds of it, he sounds like a fraudster. I encounter similar situations every day at work, and it is always the hard working people who get victimized. It's very sad actually.


I recently was looking on CL at used beetles. And I found an ad for a 2007 NB Vert in Toronto. The car has about 18,000kms on the odometer, and there are quite a few pictures of this said NB. The listed price is $4400. I emailed the individual to ask if that was a mistake. I got some story about this girl who said she is living in Great Britain for 3 years now. The car is located out west in Canada and that she just wants to sell it, so yes it is $4400 to have it shipped to wherever you live. She said "Let me know your details so we can figure out the next step" ... I don't think she saw what I wrote coming. Does she think I'm stupid. Unfortunately someone will fall victim and will send over the cash and not receive the "NB". That is 100% a scam. I've seen and heard them way too many times.

[Beetlescott]

Originally Posted by scarabY2k

I hear ya Joanne, which all the more pains me. One of my favorite quotes is...

"I keep my ideals, because in spite of everything I still believe that people are really good at heart". -Anne Frank

In spite of the "it's not working for me", don't give up kiddo.

That is a great quote!!!! I never knew who said it! Thanks for sharing Al!