Since GM filed for Bankruptcy today.....thanx for the Memories!

[oldsdroptop]

It's a sad day today for any American....so many years....so many memories...so many COOL cars...thanx for the memories....we'll never forget the iconic cars.....there were so many.....Oldsdroptop

[boblamb58]

The already-produced cars will still be there, until they get trashed that is..

May not be any more new ones, though.

There haven't been many GM cars that impressed me over the years, but yours looks fantastic. I did like the late 60's early 70s Camaros.

[PhoenixRising]

Originally Posted by boblamb58

The already-produced cars will still be there, until they get trashed that is..

May not be any more new ones, though.

There haven't been many GM cars that impressed me over the years, but yours looks fantastic. I did like the late 60's early 70s Camaros.

Agreed. And I've had a few GM cars, but never again. I think that eventually, the day will come when GM is gone for good. Just the way things happen. Everything ends.

[scarabY2k]

I guess I better get my Avalanche and Camaro before they're all gone. A sad day in America indeed.

The model of Auto manifacturing needs reworking, i.e. labor, production. See Toyota, Hyundai for examples.

[FarrisK]

Originally Posted by scarabY2k

The model of Auto manifacturing needs reworking, i.e. labor, production. See Toyota, Hyundai for examples.

Not to flamebait, but that is the LAST thing we need in the American automakers. Toyota has been having some "stretch marks" from growing too fast. See snapping crankshafts on Tundras, sludge issues in their cars, frame rust issues in the Tacomas, etc.

Hyundai, on the other hand, I completely agree with. They had some crappy products, learned from mistakes they made, and are now putting out some stellar vehicles (see Genesis, GenCoupe).

I have a feeling GM won't be going away. They will restructure, just like ChryCo is doing. Hopefully they come back nice a streamlined, and able to shift to the marketplace quickly.

[scarabY2k]

Originally Posted by FarrisK

Not to flamebait, but that is the LAST thing we need in the American automakers. Toyota has been having some "stretch marks" from growing too fast. See snapping crankshafts on Tundras, sludge issues in their cars, frame rust issues in the Tacomas, etc.

Hyundai, on the other hand, I completely agree with. They had some crappy products, learned from mistakes they made, and are now putting out some stellar vehicles (see Genesis, GenCoupe).

I have a feeling GM won't be going away. They will restructure, just like ChryCo is doing. Hopefully they come back nice a streamlined, and able to shift to the marketplace quickly.

I agree with you on Toyota. I've heard stories similar to what you're saying. Someone here posted a really crappy Tundra frame just a week or two ago.

I'm no union-ologist, but it seems like the inmates are running the asylum. If I stand correct, Hyundai and Toyota aren't so UAW influenced, but like I said, i'm no union-ologist. That's what i was trying to point out. The UAW might be one facet of the situation; this has been a long time coming and the higher ups take a great deal, if not a majority of blame. Whatever the case, this hole they're crawling out of, is gonna take a while. I see the new GM with less import auto brands, like Saab, Opel etc.

[FarrisK]

Originally Posted by scarabY2k

I agree with you on Toyota. I've heard stories similar to what you're saying. Someone here posted a really crappy Tundra frame just a week or two ago.

I'm no union-ologist, but it seems like the inmates are running the asylum. If I stand correct, Hyundai and Toyota aren't so UAW influenced, but like I said, i'm no union-ologist. That's what i was trying to point out. The UAW might be one facet of the situation; this has been a long time coming and the higher ups take a great deal, if not a majority of blame. Whatever the case, this hole they're crawling out of, is gonna take a while. I see the new GM with less import auto brands, like Saab, Opel etc.

Completely agree on the unionization. IMHO, the unions and the control they had/have on GM and ChryCo was one of the largest contributors to the meltdown.

[scarabY2k]

Originally Posted by FarrisK

Completely agree on the unionization. IMHO, the unions and the control they had/have on GM and ChryCo was one of the largest contributors to the meltdown.

Nice that i'm not alone on my opinion. What baffled/angered me, was what was taking place during the beginning of the bailouts and subsequent plans for bankruptcy. The UAW saw the ship sinking and it seemed like they wouldn't budge (not sufficiently) on their demands/requests. It has been that mentality, existing for years in the American auto industry and now has come to roost. Sorry, but if the UAW (current mentality and philosophies) is factored into the new GM, extinction could be eminent. Like I said, i'm no Union-ologist, but from the outside looking in, that's what I see.

[Lnzbug]

It's not only the unions fault. It's the greedy frickin exects taking million dollar bonus' & all that crapola. The workers just wanted a slice of their pie. It's the same with all the big companies. Get it while it's there to be got.

[FarrisK]

Originally Posted by Lnzbug

It's not only the unions fault. It's the greedy frickin exects taking million dollar bonus' & all that crapola. The workers just wanted a slice of their pie. It's the same with all the big companies. Get it while it's there to be got.

Not to be a smart, but in a company as big as GM (I think the last tally put them at worth somewhere near 82 billion in assets) doesn't really give a crap about 1 million dollar bonus. That's 0.0012% of their assets... drop in a bucket.

(I don't disagree, though. I think that if your company's ship is sinking, you don't get a bonus. I don't get a bonus at work for doing bad work, why should they?)

Personally, I think that GM and Chrysler's (and really EVERYONE'S) biggest problem was looking to maximize quarter to quarter profits, and not looking at the long term game.

[Lnzbug]

(I don't disagree, though. I think that if your company's ship is sinking, you don't get a bonus. I don't get a bonus at work for doing bad work, why should they?)


This is what I mean. Why should they get a bonus when the company is going down not up It's like looting if you ask me.

[Mister]

Originally Posted by FarrisK

...
Personally, I think that GM and Chrysler's (and really EVERYONE'S) biggest problem was looking to maximize quarter to quarter profits, and not looking at the long term game.

I believe that was the major problem in all industries for the past 10 years. Only looking for short term revenu instead of long term view. And like said also the union hasn't help at all.

As for GM and Chrysler the 80 and 90 were not their years. They haven't done anything to help them: Bad cars, bad design, bad mechanic, bad union negciations, etc. Now they are paying for these bad years of doing business.

But for old timers, like I, old GM, and old Chrysler for others, will remain in our memories...

[larryziegler]

GM isn't going anywhere, with exception of Pontiac, Saturn, Hummer, and Saab (did I miss one?). Chevy, Buick, Cadillac, and GMC will be all that remain. They will just be a smaller trimmed down company is all. Overseas, they are quite popular and quite profitable. Though Pontiac sells more cars than Buick, Buick is profitable, whereas Pontiac has been losing money for years.

[FarrisK]

VIDEO: GM re:invention commercial gets the spoof treatment

[PhoenixRising]

Originally Posted by farrisk

video: Gm re:invention commercial gets the spoof treatment

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