2.0L engine pics???

[300exoh]

Originally Posted by 2004NBTURBOS

That kinda weird cause I can hear mine plane as day even with the window's up. Even at low rpm going through my neighborhood I can hear it. Stock exhaust. My 84 SVO and my 86 Gran National were a lot louder but I had a cat delete with flowmasters. The main reason I never put in a good sound system in any of my cars is because I always turn the radio down just to hear the turbo spooling. My name is Gene...and I'm addicted to boost.

After listening a bit more closely I can hear it but it is subtle. Quietest turbo I've ever heard. Gene...admittance is the first step to ridding yourself of addiction...I wouldn't admit it too often.

[300exoh]

Originally Posted by IndyTom

That does sound a bit low. Heck the APH 150HP stock motor is underrated anyways. 180-185 HP isn't that much more. Besides the important part is the torque. It only has 160lbs of torque and most tunes will increase that to 236lbs of torque which is the seat of the pants feel you get when you accellerate. I would only go with some of the true and tried names like REVO, APR, Unitronics. Stay away from some of the smaller companies. They may make it less reliable. I found that REVO is the least expensive of the major tunes. $399 is about 100 bucks cheaper than anyone else plus they are the only ones that can direct tune your APH motor. The others will have to install a chip in the ECM which will increase the cost. I was going to go with APR but they wanted $499 for the basic Stage 1 and then another 50 bucks for the chip and the shop wanted another 60 bucks for the installation of the chip. I told them no Thank you! And went with REVO.

I had 2 of my Audi TT's and now my Beetle Revo tuned and was never disapointed.

After looking around again I have no idea where I found the 180HP number. The others I found are claiming around 200. The REVO tune sounds like what I am looking for. $399 is much more reasonable than the $500 I've found elsewhere. I didn't like the fact that the car would be down while I sent the ECM out for the chip either.

I did get some fresh 93 octane put in the beast today so hopefully the performance will improve some for now. I'm not sure how long it will take for the ECM to readjust after running the 87 but hopefully soon. It would've been a pricey fill up but luckily I had 80 cents off at the local kroger.

[Smileybug]

I don't know what year it ended, but I know for some ECUs you will need to actually literally have your ECU "chipped", as in open it up and replace the chip. Otherwise, any tuner should be able to tune through the OBDII port.

[300exoh]

Originally Posted by Smileybug

I don't know what year it ended, but I know for some ECUs you will need to actually literally have your ECU "chipped", as in open it up and replace the chip. Otherwise, any tuner should be able to tune through the OBDII port.

I looked on the revo site and it sounded to me like I would have to send out my ECU to be chipped But then it said I could download a freebie tune that would work for 5 hours of driving so I'm not really sure...

[IndyTom]

Originally Posted by Smileybug

I don't know what year it ended, but I know for some ECUs you will need to actually literally have your ECU "chipped", as in open it up and replace the chip. Otherwise, any tuner should be able to tune through the OBDII port.

Actually, REVO is the only one I know that can port tune the APH engine without putting on another chip. 2001 or newer have a larger Eprom chip on the ECM. The APH has only a 1/2 a Meg Chip which is pretty tiny compared to most newer ECMs that have 1Meg chips or higher Eproms.

[IndyTom]

Originally Posted by 300exoh

I looked on the revo site and it sounded to me like I would have to send out my ECU to be chipped But then it said I could download a freebie tune that would work for 5 hours of driving so I'm not really sure...

You don't have to have it chipped with REVO. It's a direct port tune. I got the same engine and they did mine without a chip. Is there a REVO retailer close to you? You, yourself can't download any freebie tune. That can only be done by a REVO authorized dealer.
They can give you a test tune that last a few hours of actual driving time. The test tune is the same as the regular tune it only times out after a certain time. You when it does you will know it Make sure the shop that tunes your car puts on the proper software. There are different ones for the different engine codes.

[300exoh]

Originally Posted by IndyTom

You don't have to have it chipped with REVO. It's a direct port tune. I got the same engine and they did mine without a chip. Is there a REVO retailer close to you? You, yourself can't download any freebie tune. That can only be done by a REVO authorized dealer.
They can give you a test tune that last a few hours of actual driving time. The test tune is the same as the regular tune it only times out after a certain time. You when it does you will know it Make sure the shop that tunes your car puts on the proper software. There are different ones for the different engine codes.

Did a little more research on the revo tune and it does say they can do it through the OBDII port. I found a dealer near me called perception motor werks that is a revo dealer. $399 to bump it up to 200HP and 235lb/ft isn't too bad. I'm guessing they have to install the test tune as well. It says that the test tune is only about 80% of the full tune and only lasts for 5 hours of driving so I probably won't bother...I'll just wait to have the full tune installed.

Has anyone actually dyno'ed their car after the revo tune to verify the HP/torque claims?

[IndyTom]

Originally Posted by 300exoh

Did a little more research on the revo tune and it does say they can do it through the OBDII port. I found a dealer near me called perception motor werks that is a revo dealer. $399 to bump it up to 200HP and 235lb/ft isn't too bad. I'm guessing they have to install the test tune as well. It says that the test tune is only about 80% of the full tune and only lasts for 5 hours of driving so I probably won't bother...I'll just wait to have the full tune installed.

Has anyone actually dyno'ed their car after the revo tune to verify the HP/torque claims?

The test tune is a Full tune but without some of the options you will have once you make the decission to purchase it. It will basically be the 91 Octane performance tune which will give you a pretty good idea if you like it or not. Plus it's FREE so what do you have to loose? Give it a try and I bet it will put a smile on your face
The HP and torque numbers are always given at the crank and not the wheels. If you really want to get real life HP readings you will first have to establish a base line of your current Wheel HP. Then get it tuned and do another dyno run to see what the actual difference is. Personally, I would just be happy with the found performance and not worry about numbers on a piece of paper. Just enjoy the ride

REVO does have SALES During the year mostly at some major events like WaterFest or Holidays.

[300exoh]

Originally Posted by IndyTom

The test tune is a Full tune but without some of the options you will have once you make the decission to purchase it. It will basically be the 91 Octane performance tune which will give you a pretty good idea if you like it or not. Plus it's FREE so what do you have to loose? Give it a try and I bet it will put a smile on your face
The HP and torque numbers are always given at the crank and not the wheels. If you really want to get real life HP readings you will first have to establish a base line of your current Wheel HP. Then get it tuned and do another dyno run to see what the actual difference is. Personally, I would just be happy with the found performance and not worry about numbers on a piece of paper. Just enjoy the ride

REVO does have SALES During the year mostly at some major events like WaterFest or Holidays.

I guess you're right..its worth a try for free but I'm 99% sure its the one I want. I know the numbers are at the flywheels...I was just curious if anyone ahd actually put one on the dyno after tuning. I don't put much stock into the numbers because I know that they will vary just from one dyno machine to another. It would be nice to catch a sale like the one they were running over the holidays although compared to the other tunes on the market $399 is reasonable.

I have to admit I'm getting excited at the thought of having an extra 50HP in the bug. It's already fairly quick...

[IndyTom]

Originally Posted by 300exoh

I have to admit I'm getting excited at the thought of having an extra 50HP in the bug. It's already fairly quick...

The 50 extra ponies are nice but less important than the extra 76lbs of torque! Torque is what you Feel and 76lbs increase definitely is HUGE.
You will feel it pull much stronger in the Mid to upper range. Heck it pulls very strong still in 5th gear which is amazing.

Once thing you should invest in is a better than stock diverter valve. A upgraded TT Bosch 710N will do for the most part. Or you can get a Forge Splitter Valve like I have but those things aren't cheap.

Home Page > Search > 710N > ES#581 Diverter Valve, 225hp Audi TT Version-Priced Each - 06A145710N
This one will be fine and should last you with the Stage 1 tune.

Home Page > Search > Forge Splitter > ES#1832064 Splitter DV / BOV - Polished - FMDVSPLTRC
This one is a neat valve. Not really necessary for the Beetle but it is Fun because you can hear the whooshing sound of the Turbo and it is fully adjustable. But it is very pricey.

[300exoh]

Originally Posted by IndyTom

The 50 extra ponies are nice but less important than the extra 76lbs of torque! Torque is what you Feel and 76lbs increase definitely is HUGE.
You will feel it pull much stronger in the Mid to upper range. Heck it pulls very strong still in 5th gear which is amazing.

Once thing you should invest in is a better than stock diverter valve. A upgraded TT Bosch 710N will do for the most part. Or you can get a Forge Splitter Valve like I have but those things aren't cheap.

Home Page > Search > 710N > ES#581 Diverter Valve, 225hp Audi TT Version-Priced Each - 06A145710N
This one will be fine and should last you with the Stage 1 tune.

Home Page > Search > Forge Splitter > ES#1832064 Splitter DV / BOV - Polished - FMDVSPLTRC
This one is a neat valve. Not really necessary for the Beetle but it is Fun because you can hear the whooshing sound of the Turbo and it is fully adjustable. But it is very pricey.

Very true...torque is key. I owned a 77 trans am with a 70 pontiac ram air III (big block) so I know all about torque.

That's a BIG price difference between the 2 DV's. I think I'll go with the $40 part and spend the rest elsewhere. lol Not too worried about the sound...its all about performance for the bug.

[IndyTom]

Originally Posted by 300exoh

Very true...torque is key. I owned a 77 trans am with a 70 pontiac ram air III (big block) so I know all about torque.

That's a BIG price difference between the 2 DV's. I think I'll go with the $40 part and spend the rest elsewhere. lol Not too worried about the sound...its all about performance for the bug.

Hey, I had a 78 Trans Am with 6.6 Motor. Now that was an engine. Tons of power that's for sure. Ahh, the good old days

[300exoh]

Originally Posted by IndyTom

Hey, I had a 78 Trans Am with 6.6 Motor. Now that was an engine. Tons of power that's for sure. Ahh, the good old days

That was and still is my favorite car I've ever owned...sorry beetle. The bug is quickly becoming a second favorite tho. The engine in my T/A was out of a wrecked low mileage 70 T/A. Same engine as the 70 GTO and was rated somewhere over 400HP (stock 6.6L was 185HP) . Can't remember the torque rating but it was a LOT. Lets just say it was a lot of fun to drive.

This is the only pic I have unfotunately

[IndyTom]

Nice TA! If you ever want to sell her let me know

[300exoh]

Originally Posted by IndyTom

Nice TA! If you ever want to sell her let me know

Thanks. Unfortunately I sold her quite a few years ago when my kids were still in diapers (they are teens now). I miss that car. I'm hoping to have another one day but since GM got rid of the pontiac division everyone thinks they are worth their weight in gold. I saw one recently that was nice but not perfect and they were asking $20K. A few years back that same car was $8K-$10K

[eister]

Originally Posted by IndyTom

Nice TA! If you ever want to sell her let me know

Here ya go IndyTom..1977 Pontiac Trans Am For Sale
If you buy it, I'd be happy to drive it up to you..lol

[IndyTom]

YIKES A little out of my price range at this time

[300exoh]

No kidding...$24K+...too rich for my blood