Hybrid Golf TwinDrive with Pictures.

[PhoenixRising]

Volkswagen Golf TwinDrive Concept, a hybrid with an electric motor and an internal combustion engine.

In the city, only the electric motor is needed so the Golf's emissions are zero.

Volkswagen is collaborating with the German government on this vehicle.

The Golf TwinDrive can be driven 50 kilomentres on electricity before it has to switch to the gasoline engine. You can plug the TwinDrive in to charge the battery.

The German government's plan for the future focusses on mobility and therefore alternate sources of energy are important. Electricity is to be generated from wind, water and solar power to provide energy to charge the battery.

There are many possibilities for emission-free driving and the Golf TwinDrive is a step in that direction. Soon, cars will be able to travel entirely on electric power.



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[PhoenixRising]

Thanks for moving this!

[marvins_dad]

Would be nice.

[PhoenixRising]

Yup. But the brain trust at VW? Not so bright.

[pdoel]

Originally Posted by PhoenixRising

Yup. But the brain trust at VW? Not so bright.

I don't know about that. There's already a huge waiting list for the new diesels.

And while the hybrids have been hit rather hard with their highly inflated mpg ratings, and diesels are getting great reviews.

Just read an article about the euro A3 with a TDI. The article basically stated it gets better mpg than the Prius, yet still has all the bells and whistles you'd want in a car.

So, I can't really see where VW isn't so bright.

[PhoenixRising]

Besides the fact that I knew you would say what you did, you are wrong about some of what you said. For instance.

Originally Posted by pdoel

And while the hybrids have been hit rather hard with their highly inflated mpg ratings, ...

Where do you see 'highly inflated mpg ratings'? I mean, do you drive, say, one? Or own two, like I do? And let me be the first to say, that with STOCK rims/tires, my Prius averaged 60 MPG. With my after market rims/tires, it's down to 50MPG. My Highlander, with after market rims/tires, I get 25 MPG. But with the stock, I got 31 MPG.

Some people I know, on another car site, they average MUCH higher then what the EPA said they would, but the AVERAGE driver still gets what they said they would.

This is REAL WORLD experience, with real people, not some article in a magazine, or news paper. I'm sure some people still drive like lead foot Larry's with their individual hybrids, but I would not lump all of the hybrids, or their drivers, in with that crowd.

Just read an article about the euro A3 with a TDI. The article basically stated it gets better mpg than the Prius

yet still has all the bells and whistles you'd want in a car.

Hey, um, Pete? Yeah, um, what bells and whistles doesn't the Prius come with? I have HID's,multi function display, electric windows, electric seats, GPS, six speaker stereo with cd changer/tape/XM...all stock. (Yes, even the XM was stock, of course I had to pay for the service). What else...LED gauges (including a digital Speedo), air conditioning, room for five...And the newer Prius models have standard back up camera, high resolution screen...

Me thinks you have a prejudice, but what the heck, so what? I still like VW despite their having no brains...speaking of which...

So, I can't really see where VW isn't so bright.

If you can't see why they are not bright, perhaps you need to take off your blinders. The kind that cover all your eyes.

I mean, a hybrid is not the solution to the problem with the environment, or to the gas problem, but let's be real, it's a positive step in the right direction. If VW would put out one, I can guarantee it would sell. Gas or Diesel.

Pete, Pete, Pete...I know you are a bright, intelligent person, but sometimes you confuse me with you lack of understanding when it comes to some things, hybrids this time.

[pdoel]

TJ,

Sorry, just stating some info that I've read. And like it or not, but you extremely biased towards hybrids, to the point where you most DEFINITELY have blinders on.

Maybe if you didn't take so much offense to anything anyone posted, you'd see that. And maybe if you weren't so offensive in your responses, people could actually carry on a conversation with you, or even a decent debate.

But since you can't, have fun living in your little bubble thinking everything you do is right, and everyone else is wrong.

[PhoenixRising]

Originally Posted by pdoel

TJ,

Sorry, just stating some info that I've read. And like it or not, but you extremely biased towards hybrids, to the point where you most DEFINITELY have blinders on.

Oh, but I know I am biased towards hybrids. Which is why I wish that VW would make one, for those who like hybrids, and see the logic of them. I am not the only one who likes hybrids, and VW, you know.

Maybe if you didn't take so much offense to anything anyone posted, you'd see that.

Pete, Pete...such a funny guy you are! You made me LOL there. I mean, if I took offense to 'anything anyone posted' that would mean, I take offense at all other posts, that are not mine! And that, dear Pete, is laughable, since I obviously am not offended by all posts.
In fact, since this is the internets and all, I know you can't tell by simple words, but I was not offended by your post! Just pointed out your inaccuracies, that's all. You can't possibly offend me, with your words on a screen! That is pretty hard to do.

And maybe if you weren't so offensive in your responses, people could actually carry on a conversation with you, or even a decent debate.

Really Pete? I have to say, I'm sorry that you took my words as offensive. It's hard to have feelings through typed words. I know that I debate people, in the political section of this board, often, and we remain friends. Jason, for one, I may not agree with, but we still communicate friendly. Glen, perhaps is someone you know, whom has debated me here as well, and we remain chums.

Now, you and I? Well, I think that you like to, every now and then, you like to exert your presence into a thread, say something you know is going to get a response, and then you act accordingly, trying to get further under my skin, when frankly, I find you to be amusing in your efforts! It's good to know that even now, years later, you still find time out of your day to do what you do! How refreshing!

If I didn't take you at your written on the screen word, I would think you still are annoyed at me, for transgressions past! But you have said, time and time again, that is not correct, so I believe you!

But since you can't, have fun living in your little bubble thinking everything you do is right, and everyone else is wrong.

Well, since I don't really think I am right, and everyone else is wrong, I can't say that I can have the fun you describe!

Now, in this particular thread, and in a response to your highly inaccurate post, I did have to say you are wrong.

But that's IMO only. In this case, you represent a biased viewpoint; biased against my view, and in your time tested manner, have responded in exactly the way I expected! You charm me with your consistency!

For whatever reason you have, you obviously felt the need to jump in this thread, and belittle hybrids, and pay no attention to the fact, that my problem with VW, is that they are ignoring a proven mode of transportation, that is selling remarkably well in this country, not to mention worldwide, and I simply wish they would change their collective corporate mind, and sell a hybrid?


So Pete, really, was this worth your time? On this small, small thread, on this small, small part of the internets, was this worth your time? I hope so!

It's been fun as always!

[katwalk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiyIwhsisLU
your toyota kills the enviorment

[Fowvay]

Wow... The tone of the responses is so condesending. Is that really necessary?

That is what I don't like about these types of threads. It turns into one person trying to belittle another persons view point instead of simply having a normal conversation or stating facts.

Hybrids. Great technological achievement that can provide real world benifits to both the environment and the pocket book if applied to the correct circumstances. Prius excels rather dramatically in a city and bumper to bumper scenario.

Modern Diesels. Great technological achievement that can provide real world benifits to both the environment and the pocket book if applied to the correct circumstances. Diesel excels rather dramatically to longer commutes and highway use.

Electric only. Great technological achievement that can provide real world benifits to both the environment and the pocket book if applied to the correct circumstances. Electric excels rather dramatically to short commutes and urban environments were plugs are always handy.

[Th1rt3en]

wait for it

[PhoenixRising]

Originally Posted by Fowvay

Hybrids. Great technological achievement that can provide real world benifits to both the environment and the pocket book if applied to the correct circumstances. Prius excels rather dramatically in a city and bumper to bumper scenario.

Modern Diesels. Great technological achievement that can provide real world benifits to both the environment and the pocket book if applied to the correct circumstances. Diesel excels rather dramatically to longer commutes and highway use.

Electric only. Great technological achievement that can provide real world benifits to both the environment and the pocket book if applied to the correct circumstances. Electric excels rather dramatically to short commutes and urban environments were plugs are always handy.

That is a great post. Simply is.

[PhoenixRising]

Originally Posted by katwalk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiyIwhsisLU
your toyota kills the enviorment

That guy is a biased person. Anyone who has seen his show, knows that he hates the Prius, and does not hide that fact.

Fact is, that any car can kill the environment. But in actual real world driving, the Toyota line of hybrids (can't speak for the other car manufacturers that make hybrids), the Toyota line of hybrids, when stopped at a light, don't pollute. When they are running on their electric engine, they don't pollute.

And every little bit helps; it all adds up. A nB kills the environment. I mean, it can.

And would we be having this 'negative' discussion, if VW made a hybrid, just like Toyota? If VW made a hybrid nB, using the same technology as the Prius?

I have said, time and time again, that I love VW. I really do. I have owned more of that brand, then any other car. I just wish they would make a hybrid car.

[pdoel]

Originally Posted by PhoenixRising

And would we be having this 'negative' discussion, if VW made a hybrid, just like Toyota? If VW made a hybrid nB, using the same technology as the Prius?

I have said, time and time again, that I love VW. I really do. I have owned more of that brand, then any other car. I just wish they would make a hybrid car.

Are you really surprised that people stand up for VW on a VW message board? You definitely have a bias against anything non-hybrid.

Don't get me wrong. Hybrids are definitely a step in the right direction. As are diesels. Each have pros and cons.

It just gets tough listening to the constant talk about how it's all about the environment when many of your decisions go against that.

You made modifications to your vehicles that have resulted in loss of mpg. If it's really all about the planet, then you don't do that.

I just don't understand why the need to constantly rave about hybrids as if they're the end all be all, and put down anyone who hasn't gone that route.

They definitely have some pros, but they definitely have some cons. For instance . . . http://www.motorauthority.com/news/s...-health-hazard

Not saying diesels don't either. Definitely cons in that market too.

Personally, I think we waited WAY too long to try and make a difference. Even today, you can't open up a Motor Trend without hearing about how this vehicle would be much better with a more powerful engine. No cute-ute is going to get a good review if it isn't offered in a 250+hp V6.

Seriously? Who buys a CR-V to tow? Who needs that? We've had this hp war WAY too long.

I hope that we start seeing a quick change in that trend. Start getting some vehicles with smaller engines, more fuel efficient, etc.

I remember the days you could get a 4Runner in a 4 cylinder.

Would be nice to see those trends coming back.

[FineExampl]

Smug levels are at an all time high.

[Lmhansen]

Originally Posted by katwalk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiyIwhsisLU
your toyota kills the enviorment

Using that line of reasoning, your toaster, your iPod and everything else that uses either electricity or batteries destroys the environment...

[jazzcat]

Originally Posted by katwalk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiyIwhsisLU
your toyota kills the enviorment

you think your 2.0 is helping anything? LOL


doesn't VW have a diesel hybrid in the works? i have seen a new civic that had diesel hybrid badges and was chattery and everything


as far as diesels not being popular(read it somewhere in here) try and order a candy white jetta sportwagon in auto or manual in tdi form...you can get any color except that one in november..the candy whites there is another 5 months worth of waiting...guess they aren't all that popular though


thats a neat car and all but it will never be stateside and seeing stuff like that is just depressing

[PhoenixRising]

Originally Posted by pdoel

Are you really surprised that people stand up for VW on a VW message board? You definitely have a bias against anything non-hybrid.

Boy, Pete, for a MOD you don't read too well. I have said, that I love VW. I have said, that I am disappointed that they do not have a HYBRID, and I would like them to have one. I have NOT said that I hate VW, or the TDi, or any of their cars.

It just gets tough listening to the constant talk about how it's all about the environment when many of your decisions go against that.

You made modifications to your vehicles that have resulted in loss of mpg. If it's really all about the planet, then you don't do that.

Again, you don't read well.

I still own two vehicles, that when they are stopped, or at a light, do not pollute, since the gas engines are not on. And often, especially around town, I drive entirely on the electric engine, that again, does not pollute.

Yes, I did modifications to the rims, which provide the vehicles with better stability and grip, on wet roads. Sometimes you have to sacrifice MPG for a bit more safety. AND, in the case of the HIGHLANDER, it was cheaper for me to get the four new tires/rims, then to replace the stock tires. I did get money for my old rims/tires, that made the new purchase of the new tires/rims, more financially viable then replacing the tires.

I just don't understand why the need to constantly rave about hybrids as if they're the end all be all, and put down anyone who hasn't gone that route.

Again, Pete, I do not do that. I am not, as you put it, 'constantly' raving about Hybrids. That would, again, mean that every post I have, I say grand things about Hybrids.

And, again, Pete, I have not 'put down anyone' who has not gone that route.

If that was true, then I would have no friends on this site, or off this site. Antoine, (Marvin's Dad), would not be a good friend of mine, if I was putting him down for his choice of vehicle.

Even today, you can't open up a Motor Trend without hearing about how this vehicle would be much better with a more powerful engine. No cute-ute is going to get a good review if it isn't offered in a 250+hp V6.

I honestly don't know what my HP is, but I do know that my Highlander has a six cyl engine, with the added electric, and that I can tow, if I want to.