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Old 04-18-2017, 09:00 PM
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Good afternoon all, I am new to this site. My 17 year old daughter just bought a 2005 beetle. the test drive went fine but unfortunately we did not run the car long enough to get the tranny "hot". It seems that it has the dreaded valve body failure. it was an "as is" sale with no real recourse thru dealer ( NH has no lemon law for used cars and I signed off on the "as is sale. My question is.. Does anyone know if you can replace the 09G transmission with a 01M? Any input would be greatly appreciated. I feel horrible about this whole situation as She worked weekends for the last 14 months saving up enough money for the car, ins, and related fees and of course relied on me to help her access the vehicle.
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I'm sure you could, but not sure why you'd want to. The O1M is even more failure prone than the O9G. I would just get the valve body replacement done. Its much cheaper than swapping in a different transmission, which would also require a new TCU and likely ECU.
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Thanks for the response Smileybug. I was assuming that it may require the new computer controls. The reason I am hesitant to do the VB switch is, I have no idea how long this has been an issue and the shifts are so bad once the car is warm that is un-drivable. Based on that I am worried that there may be significant damage to the tranny as well.

Thanks again!!
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Man, I'm sorry about the issues with your bug. I've been there.
If you're dead set on keeping it an automatic comma maybe you should try car-part.com. They might have a low mileage auto transmission that you can swap out.

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Good afternoon all, I am new to this site. My 17 year old daughter just bought a 2005 beetle. the test drive went fine but unfortunately we did not run the car long enough to get the tranny "hot". It seems that it has the dreaded valve body failure. it was an "as is" sale with no real recourse thru dealer ( NH has no lemon law for used cars and I signed off on the "as is sale. My question is.. Does anyone know if you can replace the 09G transmission with a 01M? Any input would be greatly appreciated. I feel horrible about this whole situation as She worked weekends for the last 14 months saving up enough money for the car, ins, and related fees and of course relied on me to help her access the vehicle.
Hi there! As mentioned, the 01M is a piece of poo. If you went for a full rebuild on the 09G, the VB would likely need to be rebuilt anyway, so replacing the VB on the trans that's in there may not be a waste. Its cheap enough and easy enough to replace that I'd highly recommend doing it and seeing what happens. Another thing you can do is drop the pan and see how much material is laying on the magnets and the bottom of the pan. If there isn't much more than a film, you'll probably be ok with just a VB. If the pan has a thick layer of material or any chunks, you might be looking for a used replacement tranny.

You won't know anything until you drop the pan and look. When you drop the pan, naturally you will eventually need to refill the trans with fluid, etc. That's not free. The ATF used in the 09G is a little expensive. My point is that once you drop the pan, have the time and money ready to get the VB on the way. I'd say order the VB before dropping the pan, but the place I got my VB from needed a code that was imprinted on the VB. There are a few variations on the VB for the 09G. You could drop the pan, get the code, refill trans, order VB, then drain/r&r the VB/refill. But that 's a lot of wasted time, money, and effort. Here's what I did step by step, hope it helps. Also check out my thread just below this one. I think I included links to all the docs I used to do the job. Overall it was very easy. Just stay organized and try to do it all in one sitting so you don't forget any details.

You will need VCDS or some scan tool to read fluid temp when adjusting the fluid level at the end. Ross-Tech: Home

1. Drain fluid, drop pan, remove filter
2. Order correct VB
3. Order 09G fluid change kit w/filter from trusted vendor
4. Order new trans pan gasket kit from trusted vendor
5. Thoroughly read all docs you can find on procedure
6. Create a plan
7. Remove harnesses and clip them to the sides of trans case
8. Remove bolts around perimeter of VB
9. Remove shifter linkage from corner of VB
10. Lower loosened VB, a small piston and spring will fall out
11. With an extra hand, raise new VB into place with piston/spring
12. Replace perimeter bolt(they are different lengths, fyi)
13. Re-attach shifter linkage
14. Torque perimeter bolts to proper spec
15. Re-attach wiring harness clips
16. Replace pan gasket, filter, and pan
17. Add ~4L of new ATF
18. Check level using proper procedure
19. Add more fluid if needed
20. Reset TCU and test drive
(I'm sure I left out a step or two, but this is the basic procedure)

You need to clean clean clean!!!!! Clean everything!!!!! Dirt is an enemy of automatics transmissions.

The 09G is a pretty robust unit other than the VB. Its used in several other cars from Mini Coopers to Jaguars. My old fluid(~123k miles) was almost black. New stuff looks like red coolaid.

Good luck!
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Here are few pics of what you'll see. The cylinders are the solenoids that wear out. The lower pic shows the shift selector arm that gets removed and attached to the new VB.




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Hey Thanks for all the info! I think that is the way I will go, I'll plan on just replacing the VB (assuming the magnets are not loaded) and keep my fingers crossed that the rest of the tranny is good to go. This will be a very helpful forum for me as I have only ever worked on domestic cars. Thanks again. I will post a follow up after the work is done. Probably a couple weeks from now.

Cheers!
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You do not need to worry about any special trans fluid, just use Mobil 1 Synthetic ATF and you will be fine.

The O9G is a good transmission, the valve body is the problem. As mentioned as long as the magnets do not look like a Chia Pet of metal, you should be fine.

Get some Rhino ramps and you should be able to drop the valve body in 2 to 2.5 hours if you take your time. Take pictures and make a few drawings.

You can drain the fluid into a clean pan and reuse it if you filter via some cheese cloth or paint strainers if you are concerned about down time.

You do not need to have special software, you want the trans fluid warm enough to expand a bit but not too hot to burn you when it drips out. This is why most manufacturers want the fluid at around 100F, because 120F is close to scalding temp.

Just warm enough that you can keep your hand on the trans pan. I would get at least 2 of the trans pan drain washers so you can check the level after a week of driving.

DO NOT attempt to fill the trans from the top, filling the trans from the drain is genius and is very easy once you find the right blow gun with extension at Home Depot or Harbor Freight.

I have 27k miles on mine since I had the valve body reworked. I sent my valve body out for reworking rather than an exchange.

You WILL NOT need any software for anything after the valve body has been replaced.
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