After Transmission Flush - Is it in my head ?

[tagger609]

Ok after the flush, filled with 3.0Liters of the correct fluid. My mitchell on demand program says 3.0 is the correct amount of fluid. It shifts into gear MUCH faster from neutral, however while driving i feel as though the shifts are a little harder. They shift quick and catch right away, however it just seems alittle harder than it was before the flush.

I dont have a thermoeter to check proper fill. Is 3.0 L the right amount. If its running alittle more or less would it make a HUGE difference ?

this all could be in my head since im paying really close attention to the shifts :-/

Thanks

[IndyTom]

Actually all of the transmission fluid kits come with 4 liters of fluid. Did you change the filter as well?

Let me check my Bentley for the correct fluid amount.

Also could be your valve body acting up. Those 01M transmissions are notorious for bad valve bodies and internal transmission harnesses.

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[IndyTom]

The Bentley states to initially fill it with 3 liters of transmission fluid and then start the car and shift through all the gears, then top it off to the recommended fill line.
So I am assuming that it will take more than 3 liters. Probably somewhere between 3 and 4 liters.

[tagger609]

The amount that i drained was close to 3.0Liters. Ive also read between 3 - 4. Might put in 1/2 a liter to be on the safe side.

Also i found a valve body at a junk yard. Worth ripping out for a few bucks just incase its bad in this beetle ?

[IndyTom]

Originally Posted by tagger609

The amount that i drained was close to 3.0Liters. Ive also read between 3 - 4. Might put in 1/2 a liter to be on the safe side.

Also i found a valve body at a junk yard. Worth ripping out for a few bucks just incase its bad in this beetle ?

I wouldn't unless you intend to rebuild the valve body that you are tearing out from the junk yard. It may be in worse shape than yours. The solenoids go bad and the transmission harness builds up resistance and only lasts to about 100k miles. So I would just see how it goes with yours. If it is just shifting a bit hard I would wait and see if it smoothes out. My suggestion instead of putting in another half a liter of transmission fluid put in a bottle of Trans Tune by Seafoam.
I usually don't believe in additives but the Seafoam treatments do work and in your case I don't think it can hurt.

Cheaper to try than a new valve body.

Sea Foam | Trans Tune | General Content - Trans Tune

[tagger609]

put in the trans tune. 1 pint is close to half a liter. noticed some fluid was leaking near the gasket. i cant seem to get this trans pan gasket to maintain a tight seal either.

hmmmph

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[IndyTom]

Originally Posted by tagger609

put in the trans tune. 1 pint is close to half a liter. noticed some fluid was leaking near the gasket. i cant seem to get this trans pan gasket to maintain a tight seal either.

hmmmph

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Don't overtighten the gasket it will just tear or break and leak. You could try and put some silicone sealer in the area where it leaks and see if it stops the leak.

[jfoj]

If you want YOUR valvebody rebuilt, check out Johnny at PC Transmission.

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They will turn it around in 1-2 days depending on what it needs and if you coordinate the shipment with him.

Not sure exact price, but they sorted out my 6 speed 09G for under $600.

Solenoids and spool valves are an issue, some bores have to be reamed and oversize spool valves installed.

Also not sure if your trans controller has fuzzy logic and will need to be reset and relearn as well. I do not know much about anything other than the 6 speed Tiptronic.

[tagger609]

Ok so i put on a new pan with a new filter. Seems like after putting in fluid, alittle seeps out around the gaskett on the one corner.

So ive put up new pan, new gaskett, new bolts, new fluid. Wtf is up with this thing. And when i over tighten it just busts the gasket.

Im not using the pentosin oil, i bought the other stuff on GAP.com that is for the 01m. Red stuff

GermanAutoParts.com :

could the fluid be to light ?

[jfoj]

Not sure if you trans pan gasket is the same as the 6 speed, but my gasket had metal collars that the bolts go through to keep you from over tightening the gasket. The bolts tighten against pan and the collars, not the gasket.

Not an issue with fluid being too thin, something else is wrong.

[tagger609]

the gasket came with the metal rings for the bolts. put them in the holes on the gasket and mounted it up. Began filling and right when the fluid got up to gasket level it began to leak (more like pour) out from teh around the pan. Stock one did not have them.

[IndyTom]

Originally Posted by tagger609

Ok so i put on a new pan with a new filter. Seems like after putting in fluid, alittle seeps out around the gaskett on the one corner.

So ive put up new pan, new gaskett, new bolts, new fluid. Wtf is up with this thing. And when i over tighten it just busts the gasket.

Im not using the pentosin oil, i bought the other stuff on GAP.com that is for the 01m. Red stuff

GermanAutoParts.com :

could the fluid be to light ?

Yeah, I don't think any fluid is too thin. It really shouldn't matter. Something isn't right with your gasket or perhaps the pan is warped or perhaps you didn't clean the surface of the transmission well enough? Difficult to say.
If you take it off again make sure you use a new gasket and perhaps just to be on the safe side use some Oil resistant Silicone sealant and then carefully tighten but not overtighten the pan, then let the silicone cure before putting the fluid in. Or if you don't want to take off the pan again you can try and put some silicone around the area that is leaking. It might seal the leak if it isn't leaking too much.

[IndyTom]

Originally Posted by tagger609

the gasket came with the metal rings for the bolts. put them in the holes on the gasket and mounted it up. Began filling and right when the fluid got up to gasket level it began to leak (more like pour) out from teh around the pan. Stock one did not have them.

Ah, perhaps you shouldn't have used those metal rings if the stock gasket didn't use them. It might leave too much of a gap and doesn't allow a proper seal. If it is pooring out like you say then I think you will need to take off the pan again.

[tagger609]

ok right now, no metal things , pan back on with fluid in it. Ill see if its leaking when i get home. Could be fun !

[IndyTom]

Crossing my fingers for you

[jfoj]

My 09G trans has the metal collars and the gasket "clips" or has ears that basically mounts the gasket to the pan. This way the gaskets stays fully aligned on the trans pan.

The only thing I can think is that the replacement gasket or collars are not of the proper dimension. Not sure if you have the original trans pan gasket and collars, but I was told by a good source that you can usually reuse the original pan gasket without issues?? I did not try this as my replacement looked like a good quality gasket and therefore I used the new one without issue.

[tagger609]

see howbthe red fluid is slowly seeping out from this corner

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[IndyTom]

Doesn't seem to be sealing very well in that corner. Did you use any silicone sealant along with your gasket?

[tagger609]

i put alittle at the far corner the it was leaking before. Ok im goign to get some new fluid, gasket and really good silicone adn do this one final time. So frustrating

I mean i should have to use silicone right ?

[IndyTom]

Originally Posted by tagger609

i put alittle at the far corner the it was leaking before. Ok im goign to get some new fluid, gasket and really good silicone adn do this one final time. So frustrating

I mean i should have to use silicone right ?

Technically, No, in a perfect world you shouldn't have to use any silicone if the pan isn't warped or there is anything uneven or unclean on the transmission housing. But this is a Beetle we are talking about in which case silicone might not be a bad idea. I used the Permatex 81878 Copper Ultimate Temperature and Oil Resistance kind on my Valve cover gasket and it hasn't leaked a drop of oil since

Permatex 81878 | Liquid Gasketing & Silicone Sealants

Should be available at any hardware or autoparts place.

You could actually use it instead of a gasket all together.